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==Number of the Great Beast==
==Number of the Great Beast==
In the section on popular culture, this article says works based on Revelation give the number of Satan as 666. It could also add that although for a long time it was believed that the number of the Great Beast described at the end of Revelation Chapter 13 was 666, it is now believed this is a mistranslation, and the number was actually 616. [[User:Carltonio|Carltonio]] ([[User talk:Carltonio|talk]]) 03:01, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
In the section on popular culture, this article says works based on Revelation give the number of Satan as 666. It could also add that although for a long time it was believed that the number of the Great Beast described at the end of Revelation Chapter 13 was 666, it is now believed this is a mistranslation, and the number was actually 616. [[User:Carltonio|Carltonio]] ([[User talk:Carltonio|talk]]) 03:01, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
:The passage is self-explanatory. The six is the number of man. Three is the number of God. 3 sixes is the god-man, or the "beast", i.e. a man in the flesh without the spirit of God is a beast. A beast who thinks he's God and worships himself (worships the creature or beast more than the creator) and behave's himself proudly against God is a god-man, with the "mark of the beast". They're a dime a dozen. You can't walk down to busstop without running into one. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 04:43, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
:The passage is self-explanatory. The six is the number of man. Three is the number of God. 3 sixes is the god-man, or the "beast", i.e. a man in the flesh without the spirit of God is a beast. A beast who thinks he's God and worships himself (worships the creature or beast more than the creator) and behave's himself proudly against God is a god-man, with the "mark of the beast". They're a dime a dozen. You can't walk down to the busstop without running into one. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 04:43, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
:Now why is six the number of man? Easy. Man has 6 members. Two arms, two legs, a head, and a private part. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 04:45, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
:Now why is six the number of man? Easy. Man has 6 members. Two arms, two legs, a head, and a private part. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 04:45, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
:Now, a man or beast without the spirit of God may have the spirit of Satan (in fact he probably does) but the passage clearly refers to a man - living flesh without the spirit of God - a beast. Satan is not a man. Satan is a spirit.
:Now, a man or beast without the spirit of God may have the spirit of Satan (in fact he probably does) but the passage clearly refers to a man - living flesh without the spirit of God - a beast. Satan is not a man. Satan is a spirit.
:So the passage clearly refers a man, any man, without the spirit of God. He may possess the spirit of Satan, but he himself will still be responsible for this event.
:So the passage clearly refers a man, any man, without the spirit of God. He may possess the spirit of Satan, but he himself will still be responsible for this event.
:Now this lead to a debate, ''Does the beastly flesh possess Satan, or does Satan possess the beastly flesh?.'' In this case, it refers to a man who rejects God, lifts himself up in pride against God, and makes himself God, or the focus and reason for his existence. Again, like Christ, it is a choice. Each of us must choose to serve God or serve something else, usually self. Serving God is a choice. Rejecting God is a choice. Those who reject God to worship and serve themselves (the creature or beast) have the mark of the beast. It is not a future event. It's regular and ongoing, and all 7.4 billion people on planet earth living right now must all make a choice individually. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 05:10, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
::Now this leads to a debate, ''Does the beastly flesh possess Satan, or does Satan possess the beastly flesh?.'' In this case, it refers to a man who rejects God, lifts himself up in pride against God, and makes himself God, or the focus and reason for his existence. Again, like Christ, it is a choice. Each of us must choose to serve God or serve something else, usually self. Serving God is a choice. Rejecting God is a choice. Those who reject God to worship and serve themselves (the creature or beast) have the mark of the beast. It is not a future event. It's regular and ongoing, and all 7.4 billion people on planet earth living right now must all make a choice individually. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 05:10, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
:There is no reference to a a "Great Beast" anywhere in the passage - that is something you are reading into the passage that is not there. This beast with the mark of the beast is very common. (By passage I mean the whole chapter. There is no reference to a "Great Beast" anywhere in the chapter.) Go back to verse 18: ''Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man''. Anyone who rejects God is a beast. Rejecting God is choice. Accepting Christ is a choice. Accepting Christ makes you a son of God. Rejecting God makes you a beast. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 05:33, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
:There is no reference to a a "Great Beast" anywhere in the passage - that is something you are reading into the passage that is not there. This beast with the mark of the beast is very common. (By passage I mean the whole chapter. There is no reference to a "Great Beast" anywhere in the chapter.) Go back to verse 18: ''Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man''. Anyone who rejects God is a beast. Rejecting God is a choice. Accepting Christ is a choice. Accepting Christ makes you a son of God. Rejecting God makes you a beast. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 05:33, 22 April 2020 (EDT)