Talk:Book of Revelation
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By my calculations, the end times will come in the year A.D. 28508....
This is derived as follows: the Death of Methuselah and Noah's flood occur in 2348 B.C., according to Bishop Ussher's infallibly calculated Bible chronology.... Ussher further calculates the year of the Exodus from Egypt as 1492 B.C., (which was followed by 40 years in the desert, lasting until 1452 B.C.)....
- Exodus 20:4-6 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments."
A generation is about 30 years, so a thousand generations would be about 30,000 years, of which 3499 have passed.... so that leaves 26,501 years left to go.... Pandeism 14:40, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
- Right...but your exegesis is shaky, the LORD, here is (clearly) using a metaphor show how bad sin is, i.e. because He punishes it for such a long time. To those that remain steadfast He is ever-loving. To read dates and prognosticate from those dates invites error. BrumbleB 14:51, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
- Oh, I'm not so sure God doesn't just mean exactly what is said there--there are many other Biblical references to a thousand generations, in Deuteronomy 5:9-11 and 7:8-10, and in 1 Chronicles and Psalms as well, specifically saying God will keep the covenant "for a thousand generations".... God could just as easily have said 500, or 10,000 generations (we are only now fewer than 70 generations away from Jesus, and maybe 120 away from Mount Sinai) if there were to be a larger or smaller number of generations counted, but there must be at least a thousand, and probably can be no more.... I wonder even if those thousand generations are traced from the lineage of a particular person.... Pandeism 23:58, 23 September 2007 (EDT)
Number of the Great Beast
In the section on popular culture, this article says works based on Revelation give the number of Satan as 666. It could also add that although for a long time it was believed that the number of the Great Beast described at the end of Revelation Chapter 13 was 666, it is now believed this is a mistranslation, and the number was actually 616. Carltonio (talk) 03:01, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
- The passage is self-explanatory. The six is the number of man. Three is the number of God. 3 sixes is the god-man, or the "beast", i.e. a man in the flesh without the spirit of God is a beast. A beast who thinks he's God and worships himself (worships the creature or beast more than the creator) and behave's himself proudly against God is a god-man, with the "mark of the beast". They're a dime a dozen. You can't walk down to the busstop without running into one. RobSLive Free or Die 04:43, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
- Now why is six the number of man? Easy. Man has 6 members. Two arms, two legs, a head, and a private part. RobSLive Free or Die 04:45, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
- Now, a man or beast without the spirit of God may have the spirit of Satan (in fact he probably does) but the passage clearly refers to a man - living flesh without the spirit of God - a beast. Satan is not a man. Satan is a spirit.
- So the passage clearly refers a man, any man, without the spirit of God. He may possess the spirit of Satan, but he himself will still be responsible for this event. (By 'event' I mean rejecting God and being overcome by the spirit of Satan. A man who rejects God becomes a living carcass or beast, inhabited by an unclear spirit. You can say he was overcome by Satan, but the living carcass or beast willingly submitted).
- Now this leads to a debate, Does the beastly flesh possess Satan, or does Satan possess the beastly flesh?. In this case, it refers to a man who rejects God, lifts himself up in pride against God, and makes himself God, or the focus and reason for his existence. Again, like Christ, it is a choice. Each of us must choose to serve God or serve something else, usually self. Serving God is a choice. Rejecting God is a choice. Those who reject God to worship and serve themselves (the creature or beast) have the mark of the beast. It is not a future event. It's regular and ongoing, and all 7.4 billion people on planet earth living right now must all make a choice individually. RobSLive Free or Die 05:10, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
- There is no reference to a "Great Beast" anywhere in the passage - that is something you are reading into the passage that is not there. This beast, with the mark of the beast, is very common. (By passage I mean the whole chapter. There is no reference to a "Great Beast" anywhere in the chapter.) Go back to verse 18: Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man. Anyone who rejects God is a beast. Rejecting God is a choice. Accepting Christ is a choice. Accepting Christ makes you a son of God. Rejecting God makes you a beast. RobSLive Free or Die 05:33, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
- Now, don't get carried away with this fundamental doctrine, as Islam and even some Christians in times past did - considering those who refuse to accept Allah or refuse to submit to baptism are subhuman and worthy of being killed. That is not acceptable anywhere in God's word. Genesis 9:6: Whosoever sheds man's blood by man shall his blood be shed. This passage makes clear he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword, a doctrine that pre-dates even Mosaic law. While beasts might murder each other, it is not right for a son of God to kill a beast. RobSLive Free or Die 05:53, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
- This phrase from mainspace, a figure called the Antichrist (or the Beast) will rise obviously is in error. Elsewhere the same author John tells us that anti-Christ is a spirit, not a fleshly beast, as well as anti-Christ is already here, and most specifically, "whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ, this is the spirit of Anti-Christ". Antichrist is not one specific individual or entity. Antichrists are everywhere. They may be members of your own family. Again, something is being read into the text that is not there. RobSLive Free or Die 07:33, 22 April 2020 (EDT)