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→Is there really a need for rancorous debate on this subject?
:As I see it (and I speak as a small "c" catholic, not as an advocate of any denomination or sect) this whole understanding of baptism really focuses on an understanding of Salvation. Some think, as is a predominant view among Roman Catholics, Roman Catholic doctrine, Islam, Mormons and others, that salvation may be inherited after death of the flesh. IMO, these teachings are in error. Salvation is now. ''Today is is the day of salvation''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 14:55, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
:As I see it (and I speak as a small "c" catholic, not as an advocate of any denomination or sect) this whole understanding of baptism really focuses on an understanding of Salvation. Some think, as is a predominant view among Roman Catholics, Roman Catholic doctrine, Islam, Mormons and others, that salvation may be inherited after death of the flesh. IMO, these teachings are in error. Salvation is now. ''Today is is the day of salvation''. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 14:55, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
We believe when an adult believes and is baptized, he receives forgiveness of his sins and the gift of regeneration in the spirit. All the Church Fathers taught this, the Nicene Creed teaches, many of the Protestant reformers held to it, and it was universally upheld for more than 1500 years. Do you believe in "once saved, always saved"? We distinguish justification, sanctification and perseverance. Not all the justified persevere in grace until the end. He who perseveres to the end will be saved. When a person is justified, he enters the state of grace. He who dies in grace is saved.