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Debate: Is there a Purgatory before Judgment Day (view source)
Revision as of 16:28, August 1, 2020
, 16:28, August 1, 2020→References
====A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump====
====A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump====
The Roman church not only has abandoned bible teaching in favor of catechism, it teaches catechism and other doctrines as if it were the Word of God. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. A little sin infects the whole body. A little false doctrine contaminates the whole church. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 20:20, 31 July 2020 (EDT)
The Roman church not only has abandoned bible teaching in favor of catechism, it teaches catechism and other doctrines as if it were the Word of God. A little leaven leaveneth the whole lump. A little sin infects the whole body. A little false doctrine contaminates the whole church. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Trump 2Q2Q]]</sup> 20:20, 31 July 2020 (EDT)
==Final words==
As to the worship and/or veneration of the saints:
:3. "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
:4. "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:"
:5. "Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;"
:6. "And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments." (Exodus 20:3-6) God Himself said you're not authorized to do it.
As to prayers for the dead:
:1. "For all this I considered in my heart even to declare all this, that the righteous, and the wise, and their works, are in the hand of God: no man knoweth either love or hatred by all that is before them."
:2. "All things come alike to all: there is one event to the righteous, and to the wicked; to the good and to the clean, and to the unclean; to him that sacrificeth, and to him that sacrificeth not: as is the good, so is the sinner; and he that sweareth, as he that feareth an oath."
:3. "This is an evil among all things that are done under the sun, that there is one event unto all: yea, also the heart of the sons of men is full of evil, and madness is in their heart while they live, and after that they go to the dead."
:4. "For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a living dog is better than a dead lion."
:5. "For the living know that they shall die: '''''but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.'''''"
:6. "'''''Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.'''''" (Ecclesiastes 9:1-6) God is saying here that once you're dead, it's game over. No amount of praying will ever help your soul.
Isiah stating the obvious about praying for the dead:
:19. "And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? ''for the living to the dead?''"
:20. "To the law and to the testimony: '''''if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them'''''." (Isaiah 8:19-20)
And what did Jesus Christ say about the dead?
:57. "And it came to pass, that, as they went in the way, a certain man said unto him, Lord, I will follow thee whithersoever thou goest."
:58. "And Jesus said unto him, Foxes have holes, and birds of the air have nests; but the Son of man hath not where to lay his head."
:59. "And he said unto another, Follow me. But he said, Lord, suffer me first to go and bury my father."
:60. "Jesus said unto him, ''Let the dead bury their dead'': but go thou and preach the kingdom of God."
:61. "And another also said, Lord, I will follow thee; but let me first go bid them farewell, which are at home at my house."
:62. "And Jesus said unto him, '''''No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.'''''" (Luke 9:57-62)
As to "purgatory", there is no mention of such a place anywhere within the Bible. Christ spoke of both Heaven and Hell multiple times, with Hell being the place to avoid at all costs. If purgatory exists, Christ would have said so; but the doctrine asserts that purgatory is some sort of middle-ground. With Christ, there is simply no middle-ground at all; you're either with Him or you're not, and even he said as much:
:14. "And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;"
:15. "I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot."
:16. "So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth." (Revelation 3:14-16)
Christ ended that sin problem once and for all, so no purgatory:<ref>https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/what-does-the-bible-say-about-purgatory/</ref>
:1. "Therefore, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus, because through Christ Jesus the law of the Spirit of life set me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature, God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering." (Romans 8:1)
Our salvation is based not on works, but what Christ did on the cross, which means no purgatory:
: "…we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good." (Titus 2:13-14)
:"…the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin." (1John 1:7)
:"…he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness." (1John 1:9)
:"He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world." (1John 2:2)
:"…because by one sacrifice he has made perfect forever those who are being made holy." (Hebrews 10:14)
[[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 12:28, 1 August 2020 (EDT)
==References==
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