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:As Andrei Martynov said, ''Whatsoever is valuable in Western Civilization and worth keeping as it drowns in sodomy, militarism, personal, political, and societal corruption, will survive in Russian Civilization.'' (Toynbee, Huntington, and other civilizational historians have pointed out that civilizations have a limited life span. Of the 30+ civilizations that appeared on planet Earth, only 6 have survived into the 21st century. Review Huntington's chapter on Ukraine in ''[[Clash of Civilizations]]''. The [[Donbas]] sits on what he describes as a "civilizational faultline".) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Z+]]</sup> 01:59, July 6, 2022 (EDT)
:As Andrei Martynov said, ''Whatsoever is valuable in Western Civilization and worth keeping as it drowns in sodomy, militarism, personal, political, and societal corruption, will survive in Russian Civilization.'' (Toynbee, Huntington, and other civilizational historians have pointed out that civilizations have a limited life span. Of the 30+ civilizations that appeared on planet Earth, only 6 have survived into the 21st century. Review Huntington's chapter on Ukraine in ''[[Clash of Civilizations]]''. The [[Donbas]] sits on what he describes as a "civilizational faultline".) [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Z+]]</sup> 01:59, July 6, 2022 (EDT)
::Both China and Russia have big demographic problems in terms of graying populations which will cause their power to wane. Plus, China has a lot of debt. The USA is a great power, but it has a tremendous amount of national debt. Time will tell how this all plays out. If the USA has severe economic problems it would greatly affect the world economy.
::I do remember Posner's talk. Cultures tend to change slow unless forced to change. The USA occupied Japan and Germany after the war. The USA did not want to occupy Russia and Russia did not want to be occupied. So I have my doubts that the Russian culture would have changed rapidly towards democracy on their own. Religion has a big effect on culture. The Eastern Orthodox Church is a very top down organization. Italy was greatly affected by the corrupt Vatican and they have gone from one corrupt government to another in rapid succession. Governments in Italy are like the soup de jour (I am exaggerating).[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 02:08, July 6, 2022 (EDT)