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# As for the rhetoric that the evil industrial business elites are controlling the government through cronyism, that is old-school Jeffersonian and Jacksonian rhetoric. In those days, the Jeffersonians and Jacksonians were the left-wing populists, while the Federalists they denounced as industrial cronyists were the classical conservatives. The fact that "right-wing populists" view [[Andrew Jackson]], ''the founder of the [[Democratic Party]]'', as an ideological forefather, is very, very telling.
 
# As for the rhetoric that the evil industrial business elites are controlling the government through cronyism, that is old-school Jeffersonian and Jacksonian rhetoric. In those days, the Jeffersonians and Jacksonians were the left-wing populists, while the Federalists they denounced as industrial cronyists were the classical conservatives. The fact that "right-wing populists" view [[Andrew Jackson]], ''the founder of the [[Democratic Party]]'', as an ideological forefather, is very, very telling.
 
—[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Tuesday, 14:48, September 5, 2023 (EDT)
 
—[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Tuesday, 14:48, September 5, 2023 (EDT)
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:::Tax cuts for couples having children is not a "welfare benefit".  And the state comes out ahead because the couples are creating more taxpayers and also making the pension system stronger. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 15:01, September 5, 2023 (EDT)
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