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:Your early change seem appropriate; I would make some reference to ex-Duke instead of removing the knowledge that he was once a Duke. This is assuming you will provide sources. The Battle of the Orontes (I left out the word the) and the count at Ascalon are both discussed in the Encyclopedia of Military History. Also, the battles are discussed and do not match the changes that you state above. For instance in The Battle of Orontes, the Moslem army was defeated due to being hemmed in between the river and the nearby mountains from successful counterattacks by Bohemund after Kerboga's initial attacks were repulsed. Unable to maneuver or stand against the charge, where the Crusader armor certainly made them superior man for man, they broke and fled. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:11, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
:Your early change seem appropriate; I would make some reference to ex-Duke instead of removing the knowledge that he was once a Duke. This is assuming you will provide sources. The Battle of the Orontes (I left out the word the) and the count at Ascalon are both discussed in the Encyclopedia of Military History. Also, the battles are discussed and do not match the changes that you state above. For instance in The Battle of Orontes, the Moslem army was defeated due to being hemmed in between the river and the nearby mountains from successful counterattacks by Bohemund after Kerboga's initial attacks were repulsed. Unable to maneuver or stand against the charge, where the Crusader armor certainly made them superior man for man, they broke and fled. [[User:Learn together|Learn together]] 14:11, 18 August 2008 (EDT)
:I agree on the ex-Duke thing and will agree on the use of Orontes and the numbers at Ascalon. On the battle of Orontes itself, while the Crusaders did engage and defeat a portion of the army (the part under the direct command of Kerbogha), the vast majority of Muslim potentates who had been basically forced against their will into riding with Kerbogha abandoned him, not wishing to see him triumph. Source for this is Steven Runicman's ''A History of the Crusades Volume I: The First Crusade'', pp. 247-250, especially p. 248. For the surprise attack on the camp at Ascalon as opposed to a pitched battle, see the same book, pp. 296-7. I would aslo question the estimation of Kerbogha's force to be 75,000, as little to no evidence exists, and the most generous estimates of size I can find seem to be around 30,000-35,000, considering by comparison that the forces of the entired Byzantine Empire, the most heavily populated state in the world, had a total force of 70,000 men. That said, if you have a source I do not, I will defer on this issue. [[User:Forwearemany|Forwearemany]] 12:44, 19 August 2008 (EDT)