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::I've changed it to "lesser-known". That seems to be a good compromise. They may not have been stars, but they weren't unknown. --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 08:29, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
::I've changed it to "lesser-known". That seems to be a good compromise. They may not have been stars, but they weren't unknown. --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 08:29, 8 October 2008 (EDT)
:Foxtrot, your logic is wanting. You confuse bankablity with being well known. Very few stars can guarantee a large gross the way Tom Cruise or Will Smith can. This does not make everyone else a “no name”. You also might be surprised to learn that more movies do not turn a profit in their initial run than you imagine. I am assuming that when you say “no name” you are referring to the recognizability of the actor (I’m assuming this because that’s what the term means). Truth is, one can star in many flops and still be a well known and respected actor. I’m going to argue more for Heath Ledger here, because Gyllenhall was less known; he was primarily known for Donnie Darko, a movie which was a huge flop initially, but has since become a cult classic on DVD, You also make the error of taking into account the film’s budget when deciding how well known an actor is, again confusing how well known one is with how much money they’ve made for the studio. If a movie makes $50 million, just have many people have seen it whether it cost $1 million to make or $100 million (therefore, by the logic of basing this solely on a films take, the actor in equally famous either way).
:By virtue of having been the star of a major motion picture of the caliber of A Knight’s Tale (regardless of whether or not you ever heard of it) let alone his other films, he is certainly not a no name actor. They used his stardom to promote the movie! Here’s a trick. If they were no name actors, can you name 4 or 5 “name” actors they could have given the roles too, keeping in mind the ages of the characters (Tom Hanks and Clint Eastwood are too old, Orson Welles and Clark Gable are too dead)? I can think of Leonardo DiCaprio off the top of my head. The thing is by your definition he was a “no name” when he appeared in Titanic. Look at his movies:
:*This Boy’s Life: $4 million
:*What’s Eating Gilbert Grape: $9 million ($11 million to make)
:*The Quick and The Dead: $18 million ($32 million to make)
:*The Basketball Diaries: $2.4 million (no budget listed)
:*Total Eclipse: $339,889
:*Romeo And Juliet:$46 million ($14 million to make) his biggest hit so far, and made less than A Knight’s Tale
:*Marvin’s Room: $13 million ($23 million to make)
:There, I just proved Leonardo DiCaprio was a no name actor before he appeared in Titanic, even though he was a major selling point for that movie, and he was a household name before its release. DiCaprio was a very big star before Titanic, and a bigger one after, much like Heath Ledger. An example of a no name actor getting a starring role in a major film might be Cillian Murphy in 28 Days Later. No one had heard of him before that movie (and he’s still not exactly universally recognized). That is far different than Ledger before Brokeback Mountain.
:Also, “no name” actors do not get their names “Above the Title” as they say. Look at the posters for [http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/c/cb/The_Four_Feathers_2002_movie.jpg The Four Feathers] and [http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.impawards.com/2005/posters/brothers_grimm.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.impawards.com/2005/brothers_grimm.html&h=755&w=509&sz=101&hl=en&start=1&sig2=rqQ0CHuY5_8OExmU6feO8g&um=1&usg=__LVwEiH86G9xHIdmpl7RzVKS8FIg=&tbnid=yvtmpcxwA2liRM:&tbnh=142&tbnw=96&ei=87LsSJ-GKqDMedT9odEL&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbrothers%2Bgrimm%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dfirefox-a%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:official%26sa%3DN The Brothers Grimm]. Ledger was a star. Not of the highest level yet, but a star nevertheless. [[User:KPickering|KPickering]] 09:24, 8 October 2008 (EDT)