| | ::I've changed it to "lesser-known". That seems to be a good compromise. They may not have been stars, but they weren't unknown. --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 08:29, 8 October 2008 (EDT) | | ::I've changed it to "lesser-known". That seems to be a good compromise. They may not have been stars, but they weren't unknown. --[[User:Hsmom|Hsmom]] 08:29, 8 October 2008 (EDT) |
| | + | :::Okay, "lesser-known" I can live with, especially if we throw in the Ang Lee interview as a citation. As for Ledger's popularity in Australia, Philip, I will simply believe you on this point since I have no way to judge. It's like how people said Monica Bellucci was a big star in Europe before the Matrix movies. I had never heard of her before then, but I could see the talent she could bring to a film, so I was willing to believe. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 11:56, 8 October 2008 (EDT) |
| | :Foxtrot, your logic is wanting. You confuse bankablity with being well known. Very few stars can guarantee a large gross the way Tom Cruise or Will Smith can. This does not make everyone else a “no name”. You also might be surprised to learn that more movies do not turn a profit in their initial run than you imagine. I am assuming that when you say “no name” you are referring to the recognizability of the actor (I’m assuming this because that’s what the term means). Truth is, one can star in many flops and still be a well known and respected actor. I’m going to argue more for Heath Ledger here, because Gyllenhall was less known; he was primarily known for Donnie Darko, a movie which was a huge flop initially, but has since become a cult classic on DVD, You also make the error of taking into account the film’s budget when deciding how well known an actor is, again confusing how well known one is with how much money they’ve made for the studio. If a movie makes $50 million, just have many people have seen it whether it cost $1 million to make or $100 million (therefore, by the logic of basing this solely on a films take, the actor in equally famous either way). | | :Foxtrot, your logic is wanting. You confuse bankablity with being well known. Very few stars can guarantee a large gross the way Tom Cruise or Will Smith can. This does not make everyone else a “no name”. You also might be surprised to learn that more movies do not turn a profit in their initial run than you imagine. I am assuming that when you say “no name” you are referring to the recognizability of the actor (I’m assuming this because that’s what the term means). Truth is, one can star in many flops and still be a well known and respected actor. I’m going to argue more for Heath Ledger here, because Gyllenhall was less known; he was primarily known for Donnie Darko, a movie which was a huge flop initially, but has since become a cult classic on DVD, You also make the error of taking into account the film’s budget when deciding how well known an actor is, again confusing how well known one is with how much money they’ve made for the studio. If a movie makes $50 million, just have many people have seen it whether it cost $1 million to make or $100 million (therefore, by the logic of basing this solely on a films take, the actor in equally famous either way). |