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Talk:San Francisco values (view source)
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:I wrote that line and have now edited it to include a citation. The shooting was not at a gay pride parade, but another gay event--the sentence explicitly includes other gay events besides the gay pride parade, for the very basic reason that that is not the only event where homosexual excesses can be seen and for which the police can do nothing. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 22:16, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
:I wrote that line and have now edited it to include a citation. The shooting was not at a gay pride parade, but another gay event--the sentence explicitly includes other gay events besides the gay pride parade, for the very basic reason that that is not the only event where homosexual excesses can be seen and for which the police can do nothing. -[[User:Foxtrot|Foxtrot]] 22:16, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
::While that event took place in the Castro, a largely gay neighborhood, i think it clearly pointed towards the shooting being not related to the event or vast majority of gay folks in SF. i think that the way the sentence is written, it envisions vicious gay gangs wandering the streets shooting people. in fact one guy even said in that article that "it's not a neighborhood event anymore and it hasn't been for a long time. I'm gay and and gay people don't really go. It's not a welcoming environment; it's almost all people from out of town that come to gawk." so i don't think it really points to an atmosphere of violence in the gay community but rather potentially violent people who were at that event.
::While that event took place in the Castro, a largely gay neighborhood, i think it clearly pointed towards the shooting being not related to the event or vast majority of gay folks in SF. i think that the way the sentence is written, it envisions vicious gay gangs wandering the streets shooting people. in fact one guy even said in that article that "it's not a neighborhood event anymore and it hasn't been for a long time. I'm gay and and gay people don't really go. It's not a welcoming environment; it's almost all people from out of town that come to gawk." so i don't think it really points to an atmosphere of violence in the gay community but rather potentially violent people who were at that event.
:::If you really believe that the complete absence of moral values, the rampant promiscuity and excess, the diseased 'lifestyle' - or rather 'deathstyle' - that characterises this community and for which this city is notorious, do not find expression in violence and crime as well as other forms of hell-bent death-wish, then I am profoundly sorry for you, Noah. Your own soul is at peril from your moral vacuity. There is still time; you still have a chance - I urge you to take it. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:18, 17 October 2008 (EDT)