Talk:San Francisco values

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Oh come on. Are we asking to be parodied? How about New Jersey values, which are all about whacking people? Or New York values? I'm guessing Washington DC values is next. Daphnea 17:05, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Daphnea, you're clueless. San Francisco has been a mecca for the types of values that the article mentions for decades now, and in fact prides itself on thsi fact. Don't let your politics blind you to historical truth.AliceBG 17:07, 26 June 2008 (EDT)
Those other pages don't need to be made because no one uses those terms. But "San Francisco values" was very frequently mentioned in the last election and in connection with Nancy Pelosi's stint as Speaker of the House. It's a newer term than Hollywood values, but it has common usage to designate a particular political leaning that is far from conservative. Foxtrot 17:10, 26 June 2008 (EDT)

Bugler, can you provide a citation that there have been shootings at gay pride parades?—The preceding unsigned comment was added by NoahH (talk)

I wrote that line and have now edited it to include a citation. The shooting was not at a gay pride parade, but another gay event--the sentence explicitly includes other gay events besides the gay pride parade, for the very basic reason that that is not the only event where homosexual excesses can be seen and for which the police can do nothing. -Foxtrot 22:16, 16 October 2008 (EDT)
While that event took place in the Castro, a largely gay neighborhood, i think it clearly pointed towards the shooting being not related to the event or vast majority of gay folks in SF. i think that the way the sentence is written, it envisions vicious gay gangs wandering the streets shooting people. in fact one guy even said in that article that "it's not a neighborhood event anymore and it hasn't been for a long time. I'm gay and and gay people don't really go. It's not a welcoming environment; it's almost all people from out of town that come to gawk." so i don't think it really points to an atmosphere of violence in the gay community but rather potentially violent people who were at that event.
If you really believe that the complete absence of moral values, the rampant promiscuity and excess, the diseased 'lifestyle' - or rather 'deathstyle' - that characterises this community and for which this city is notorious, do not find expression in violence and crime as well as other forms of hell-bent death-wish, then I am profoundly sorry for you, Noah. Your own soul is at peril from your moral vacuity. There is still time; you still have a chance - I urge you to take it. Bugler 14:18, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
i'm trying to have a discussion about an encyclopedia article bugler, i'd really rather you not call my morals into question simply because we have a politcal difference. thank you.
Noah, these shootings didn't occur at the Macy's Thanksgiving Day parade. They didn't even occur in more modest parts of San Francisco. They occured in the part of the city with the loosest morals and which consequently attracts all kinds of derelicts. If the gays choose to live in such a moral vacuum, they shouldn't be surprised by the elements they attract. The shooting occured at a street celebration in the Castro, which had gained ill repute for its nudity and wild displays. If that's not asking for trouble, I don't know what is. -Foxtrot 15:46, 17 October 2008 (EDT)

"Again, San Francisco has curtailed the polices ability to perform its crimefighting duties"

That's not entirely accurate. The purpose of the policy is to make prostitution legal, but there is a statewide ban. It's the same thing as CA's legal marijuana -- weed is still illegal at the federal level. It's not about stopping the police but de facto legalizing. Now whether or not you think it should be legalized (or decriminalized; tomato tomahto) is a whole other issue entirely. HelpJazz 19:29, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Also (instead of creating a whole new heading) I have a couple other issues as I read through the rest of the article. First of all, there are numerous instences of flat-out opinion ("The second measure would be laughable if it didn't have the support it does" was the one that caught my attention). There are some areas of opinion which are allowable in this context (such as the opinion on whether many of the SFV's are immoral) since it takes a conservative viewpoint, and these are ok, but some opinions go farther than that. I'd love to say that not all of those "immoral" things can be undeniably considered immoral, but I don't see any luck going down that road, so I won't even try. HelpJazz 19:39, 21 October 2008 (EDT)

Offensive Analogy

I'm sure the term "Gay Mecca" when referring to the Castro is offensive to many, but it doesn't sound very encyclopedic when no refs are provided.--Frey 13:52, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

A little better. Sounds kind of politically correct for CP, though.--Frey 22:33, 27 November 2008 (EST)

I agree, I think this is highly offensive, I have family there and they hate homosexuals and leftist scum --LarrytheLibertarian 14:48, 17 February 2010 (EST)

Better to "hate the sin, love the sinner". --Ed Poor Talk 15:09, 17 February 2010 (EST)
Yes, there are conservatives in San Francisco. I'm one of them. I'm sure there is a Christian or too in Mecca, too, but don't doubt that it IS a gay mecca. I'm maybe 10-15 blocks north of an enormous gay pride flag that towers over Market at Castro. I've been downtown, and there will be a naked man just walking the streets, unhindered by police. Don't get me wrong, I love this city. It is a beautiful place, and I love living 10 minutes from the beach, 30 minutes from the forests, with enormous parks and gorgeous architecture. But make no mistake: gay mecca is the perfect term for San Francisco. JacobB 20:11, 17 February 2010 (EST)
There are a lot of gay people in San Francisco. I live in the Bay Area and it's just a fact. Various groups of people just seem to gravitate to places where people who are similar to them live. So there are a lot of Hispanic people living in San Jose, a large Chinese community in Oakland, and a lot of retired people who live in Albany, CA. On the whole, the area is very diverse, you can find almost every ethnicity, race, religion, economic status, and politically viewed people here, the Bay Area is one of the most diverse places in the U.S. Regarding the other example, naked people are not allowed to walk about unclothed in public anymore, there is now a law against public nudity: Taj 17:20, 21 April 2013 (EDT)
User:Daphnea the term "Gay Mecca" is in common usage in the homosexual community to describe San Francisco and The Castro district. TheAmericanRedoubt 21:18, 17 December 2014 (EST)

Anti Second Amendment Category

I am re-adding the Category:Anti Second Amendment that was deleted by User:SamHB. The reason is that among American conservatives, TEA Party members, libertarians, conservative Christians, Patriots and Preppers, San Francisco is very famous for its daily urban gun crime, gangs with drive-by shootings, yet like the other liberal cities below it has the strongest anti-Second Amendment gun control "laws" (followed only by law-abiding citizens not criminal "gansta" thugs).

TheAmericanRedoubt 21:06, 17 December 2014 (EST)