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::While that event took place in the Castro, a largely gay neighborhood, i think it clearly pointed towards the shooting being not related to the event or vast majority of gay folks in SF. i think that the way the sentence is written, it envisions vicious gay gangs wandering the streets shooting people. in fact one guy even said in that article that "it's not a neighborhood event anymore and it hasn't been for a long time. I'm gay and and gay people don't really go. It's not a welcoming environment; it's almost all people from out of town that come to gawk." so i don't think it really points to an atmosphere of violence in the gay community but rather potentially violent people who were at that event.
 
::While that event took place in the Castro, a largely gay neighborhood, i think it clearly pointed towards the shooting being not related to the event or vast majority of gay folks in SF. i think that the way the sentence is written, it envisions vicious gay gangs wandering the streets shooting people. in fact one guy even said in that article that "it's not a neighborhood event anymore and it hasn't been for a long time. I'm gay and and gay people don't really go. It's not a welcoming environment; it's almost all people from out of town that come to gawk." so i don't think it really points to an atmosphere of violence in the gay community but rather potentially violent people who were at that event.
 
:::If you really believe that the complete absence of moral values, the rampant promiscuity and excess, the diseased 'lifestyle' - or rather 'deathstyle' - that characterises this community and for which this city is notorious, do not find expression in violence and crime as well as other forms of hell-bent death-wish, then I am profoundly sorry for you, Noah. Your own soul is at peril from your moral vacuity. There is still time; you still have a chance - I urge you to take it. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:18, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
 
:::If you really believe that the complete absence of moral values, the rampant promiscuity and excess, the diseased 'lifestyle' - or rather 'deathstyle' - that characterises this community and for which this city is notorious, do not find expression in violence and crime as well as other forms of hell-bent death-wish, then I am profoundly sorry for you, Noah. Your own soul is at peril from your moral vacuity. There is still time; you still have a chance - I urge you to take it. [[User:Bugler|Bugler]] 14:18, 17 October 2008 (EDT)
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::::i'm trying to have a discussion about an encyclopedia article bugler, i'd really rather you not call my morals into question simply because we have a politcal difference. thank you.
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