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::::::::::::::::::All of your "experts" are simply sites citing the exact same source, Thayer's Greek-English lexicon.  To suggest that questioning that ''single'' definition is rejecting all authority is absurd.  Healthy skepticism is necessary to any intellectual project such as this.  Relying on a single authority as definitive is absurd.  The biblical concept of "rich" is far different than the present.  Denying that is patently ridiculous, and ignores millenia of economic and social change. That is why this project is necessary.  Like Luther's 500 years ago, it is an attempt to ground our knowledge in the original ''meaning'' of God's word. [[User:RodWeathers|- Rod Weathers]] 23:01, 26 December 2008 (EST)

::::::::::::::::::All of your "experts" are simply sites citing the exact same source, Thayer's Greek-English lexicon.  To suggest that questioning that ''single'' definition is rejecting all authority is absurd.  Healthy skepticism is necessary to any intellectual project such as this.  Relying on a single authority as definitive is absurd.  The biblical concept of "rich" is far different than the present.  Denying that is patently ridiculous, and ignores millenia of economic and social change. That is why this project is necessary.  Like Luther's 500 years ago, it is an attempt to ground our knowledge in the original ''meaning'' of God's word. [[User:RodWeathers|- Rod Weathers]] 23:01, 26 December 2008 (EST)

(Undent) Well I have 2 more (different) in hard copy.  ''The Complete Word Study New Testament'' Spiros Zodhiates, which says it means "rich" And the ''Linguistic Key to the Greek New Testament'' Rienecker and Rogers.  which says it means "rich" --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] <small>(CPAdmin1)</small>^{[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]]} 23:14, 26 December 2008 (EST)

(moved discussion here below to "Rich" Issue for easier editing and comment.--[[User:Aschlafly|aschlafly]] 16:13, 28 December 2008 (EST))

 

::: Sorry, Tim, I didn't notice your edits in the middle here.  The Greek word does not mean "many more possessions than they need" as you suggest.  Rather, it means "fully supplied" or "abundantly supplied."  The term refers equally well to the person who has just what he needs and no more.  In short, it applies to virtually everyone in developed nations, fully fed and entertained.  That's why the term "rich" no longer works because very few of the "abundantly supplied" view themselves as "rich" today, yet Jesus is addressing them.  The key to the Greek term and the translation is to capture the vice of an unwillingness to try harder due to the complacently of being fully fed and entertained.--[[User:Aschlafly|aschlafly]] 08:11, 28 December 2008 (EST)

 

::::The word also means rich, the 2 definitions are very close in meaning.  Abundantly supplied means more than enough.  I agree that many or most of the "abundantly supplied" would not consider themselves rich, but I don't think that they'd consider themselves abundantly supplied either.  You say that the greek term is about unwillingness to "try harder," and complacency.  That is not true.  The word means rich, and abundantly supplied. --[[User:CPAdmin1|Tim]] <small>(CPAdmin1)</small>^{[[User talk:CPAdmin1|talk]]} 09:57, 28 December 2008 (EST)

:::::::::::::::: Tim, the essence of this project is to open your mind and think for yourself, and not rely on an argument that "the experts say such-and-such."  Yes, some and perhaps all of the unnamed experts are liberals.  The process of inducing people to rely on "the perceived view of experts is a misleading one.  In courts of law it is generally not allowed without also hearing from an expert with the opposite view.   

:::::::::::::::: Tim, the essence of this project is to open your mind and think for yourself, and not rely on an argument that "the experts say such-and-such."  Yes, some and perhaps all of the unnamed experts are liberals.  The process of inducing people to rely on "the perceived view of experts is a misleading one.  In courts of law it is generally not allowed without also hearing from an expert with the opposite view.   

:::::: The efficiency of the learning from this project is far greater than in any other medium, much higher than reading a book, attending a seminar, watching television, discussing with people, etc.  In merely a few spare minutes or hours, the participants in this project have learned more than they could have after spending 10x or 100x many hours in any other medium.  For that reason alone, I feel this project has been more than worthwhile.  As Bugler says, let's see where it goes from here.  What's there to lose?  Nothing, but there is everything to gain in greater [[faith]].--[[User:Aschlafly|aschlafly]] 16:05, 28 December 2008 (EST)

:::::: The efficiency of the learning from this project is far greater than in any other medium, much higher than reading a book, attending a seminar, watching television, discussing with people, etc.  In merely a few spare minutes or hours, the participants in this project have learned more than they could have after spending 10x or 100x many hours in any other medium.  For that reason alone, I feel this project has been more than worthwhile.  As Bugler says, let's see where it goes from here.  What's there to lose?  Nothing, but there is everything to gain in greater [[faith]].--[[User:Aschlafly|aschlafly]] 16:05, 28 December 2008 (EST)