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, 13:55, September 17, 2011→A Response to the "15 Questions" from a biology student
::::"A-" Without. "-theism" Belief in gods. "Atheism" Without belief in gods. Anybody can say whatever they like about what they personally think "atheism" means, but atheists say it means a lack of belief in gods. Do WE let THEM tell us what Christianity means? If not, why should THEY let US define what atheism means? Sorry, but if we want to argue against their point of view we need to let them state what that point of view actually is. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 01:08, 14 September 2011 (EDT)
::::"A-" Without. "-theism" Belief in gods. "Atheism" Without belief in gods. Anybody can say whatever they like about what they personally think "atheism" means, but atheists say it means a lack of belief in gods. Do WE let THEM tell us what Christianity means? If not, why should THEY let US define what atheism means? Sorry, but if we want to argue against their point of view we need to let them state what that point of view actually is. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 01:08, 14 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Sam, I do find it telling you did not answer my relevant questions about encyclopedias of philosophy despite being given the sources. Second, "Atheism: a + theos, denying god, (Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology-1966[http://www.thedivineconspiracy.org/athart3.htm] Third, "Atheism: all are coined words from the Greek atheos, denying the gods, a word introduced into the Latin by Cicero in the form; atheos, a-, negative, prefix, and theos, a god, (Etymological Dictionary of English Language-1958)" [http://www.thedivineconspiracy.org/athart3.htm] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:01, 14 September 2011 (EDT)
:::::Sam, I do find it telling you did not answer my relevant questions about encyclopedias of philosophy despite being given the sources. Second, "Atheism: a + theos, denying god, (Oxford Dictionary of English Etymology-1966[http://www.thedivineconspiracy.org/athart3.htm] Third, "Atheism: all are coined words from the Greek atheos, denying the gods, a word introduced into the Latin by Cicero in the form; atheos, a-, negative, prefix, and theos, a god, (Etymological Dictionary of English Language-1958)" [http://www.thedivineconspiracy.org/athart3.htm] [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 02:01, 14 September 2011 (EDT)
::::::Words change in meaning. For example people still talk about "the exception which proves the rule," a saying which makes no sense whatsoever. The reason it makes no sense whatsoever is that now we use "prove" to mean "confirm," whereas when that saying was coined it meant to TEST. I don't care what Cicero or the ancient Greeks took atheism to mean any more than I care what some 50 year old encyclopaedias take it to mean or than I care that "distaff" now means female descent but used to be a spinning implement. The fact is that atheism now means a lack of belief in gods, and that's the ground we have to fight on. --[[User:SamCoulter|SamCoulter]] 09:55, 17 September 2011 (EDT)
::Well, I don't think it's quite fair to criticise Rudrick Boucher's post on the grounds that it didn't refute all the evidence for Christianity in that long apologetics article, or provide conclusive proof for atheism. Those are both big tasks that would surely run to many, many pages to complete in full - and Conservative's response only covers one out of the fifteen questions! The Question Evolution! pamphlet doesn't make it at all clear that dozens or even hundreds of pages are needed for an answer to be considered satisfactory.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 09:47, 14 September 2011 (EDT)
::Well, I don't think it's quite fair to criticise Rudrick Boucher's post on the grounds that it didn't refute all the evidence for Christianity in that long apologetics article, or provide conclusive proof for atheism. Those are both big tasks that would surely run to many, many pages to complete in full - and Conservative's response only covers one out of the fifteen questions! The Question Evolution! pamphlet doesn't make it at all clear that dozens or even hundreds of pages are needed for an answer to be considered satisfactory.--[[User:CPalmer|CPalmer]] 09:47, 14 September 2011 (EDT)