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Talk:Mystery:Why Do Atheists Dislike Underdogs? (view source)
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, 22:30, February 10, 2012→UK has worse social mobility than most other developed countries plus ungodly UK citizens and poodles and other underdogs
User Conservative: you have indeed shown that social mobility in Britain is nothing short of disgraceful; that was never in doubt. However, nothing in this interesting discussion shows any kind of consistent correlation, let alone causation, between supporting an underdog, social mobility, economics, social values or faith. Your point about fiscal prudence in the Eurozone, for example, falls when we remember that Britain is not in the Euro but Finland is, with Sweden notionally obliged to join the Euro in the future. Even Mr Schafly's cultural illustrations of social immobility do little more than further muddy the waters: they are underdog friendly and Dickens's canon, like his own life, typifies the remarkable social mobility of his time. (BTW, the song you're thinking of is God Save the Queen) [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] 15:27, 10 February 2012 (EST)
User Conservative: you have indeed shown that social mobility in Britain is nothing short of disgraceful; that was never in doubt. However, nothing in this interesting discussion shows any kind of consistent correlation, let alone causation, between supporting an underdog, social mobility, economics, social values or faith. Your point about fiscal prudence in the Eurozone, for example, falls when we remember that Britain is not in the Euro but Finland is, with Sweden notionally obliged to join the Euro in the future. Even Mr Schafly's cultural illustrations of social immobility do little more than further muddy the waters: they are underdog friendly and Dickens's canon, like his own life, typifies the remarkable social mobility of his time. (BTW, the song you're thinking of is God Save the Queen) [[User:Rafael|Rafael]] 15:27, 10 February 2012 (EST)
:::Davidspencer, there is a difference between the origination of something and when it "takes off" (becomes popular). Punks rock (wearing spiked mohawks, green hair, etc. etc.) never was all that popular from a Western Civilization perspective and so I think it is fair to say that punk didn't really "take off" until its latter stages. So I don't believe I was incorrect in my statement. Lastly, I really don't care much about punk rock or discussing it, so I don't see our punk rock discussion continuing very long. 17:30, 10 February 2012 (EST)
Rafael, thanks for the correction. I very much enjoy watching the British politician Nigel Farage from time to time. He is an opponent of the Eurozone as you may be aware. He publicly harangues the pompous and incompetent Eurozone bureaucrats in a very humorous way. Given the commotion that Nigel Farage raises, I assumed the wrong thing about Britain and Eurozone. Also, I believe someone has discussed Sweden, Denmark, Norway and these countries did have a more favorable government debt to GDP ratio than Britain in 2010. Lastly, I think we will have to agree to disagree on the degree that religion affects economics but I do think I showed causality [http://conservapedia.com/Talk:Main_Page#.22Clearly.2C_the_.22secular.22_in_secular_Europe_is_not_working_out_well_in_many_countries.22 HERE] among other places on this wiki. You may want to review the resources [http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/oct/31/economics-religion-research HERE] and [http://www.ldolphin.org/bumbulis/ HERE] and [[Christianity and science|HERE]] (the historian Ferdinand Braudel points out that technology often has a more dramatic effect on history and economics than political leaders and other signficant people in history). Even the Harvard opponents of [[Max Weber]]'s ideas about the Protestant work ethic concede that Protestantism led to higher literacy rates and therefore higher economic productivity as can be seen [http://www.hks.harvard.edu/pepg/PDF/Papers/PEPG07-04_Becker_Woessmann.pdf HERE]. Lastly, my discussions with people in poor countries has led me to believe that often it is just a matter of blooming where you are planted. For example, I know someone in [[Mali]] (one of the poorest countries of Africa) who had some drive and he was able to be successful through hard work and study. I spoke to someone in Bangledesh who gave similar testimony about being economically successful in his country. [[Joseph]] is a great example of someone who didn't let circumstances get him down and with divine favor he eventually surpassed his brothers in terms of his station in life. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] 17:30, 10 February 2012 (EST)
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