Talk:Ayn Rand

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"Rand has also been noted for her pioneering work in the use of the Cut-Up technique, used to great effect in the speeches of Atlas Shrugged" Is this really true? I was reading about cut-up the other day and no mention of Rand was made. It would certainly explain those speeches unreadability, however. Human 22:18, 23 April 2007 (EDT)

I think that whole paragraph is intended a joking criticism of her. RSchlafly 22:43, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
Got it. Thanks. Of course. Strangely, I saw the humor in the part about overcoming the writer's limitations, but not in the cut-up part - because I thought it was serious. Hey, I don't mind people making fun of Rand, although it seems like poor sport, as she can't respond any more, but I wouldn't want this article to confuse someone about the history of cut-up techniques and history. Maybe if the word "cut-up" was linked to an intermediary "that was a joke" page that then links to, say, William Burroughs, whoever inspired him, and perhaps even the Beatles (who used cut-up tapes on ...Mr. Kite and Yellow Submarine, at least). or at least then to a page about cut-up. Now, where was I reading about it? Hopefully not on Wikipedia, that would all be liberal nonsense. Maybe it was in a book review in The Nation? Human 22:50, 23 April 2007 (EDT)
OK, I did the "intermediate page" thing, but it's a bad idea - pollutes the namespace. I'll make it into a footnote and have a sysop delete the "just kidding" page. Human 23:12, 23 April 2007 (EDT)


If we’re going to have an external link to the Ayn Rand Institute, then we should have one to ARI Watch, otherwise people will get the impression Ayn Rand was a complete idiot. — Mark

No mention of her Athiesm?

Hey Andy, I hope you know that Ayn Rand was also an atheist. You seem to despise them on this site's Atheism page, but it's all praise for an atheist as long as they agree with you on political issues? I dont know man, seems like hipocracy to me. Not to mention that while she was an intelligent woman, she was also a dispiciple one and promoted selfishism. Being a Christian is about being Christ-like and Jesus was FAR from selfish or "objective". I sincerly hope that this doesnt get me blocked for whatever reason. And yes, I'm liberal but also a Christian. I geniunely want to hear your thoughts on this issue Peace & Love. B.Jerome

Your spelling is atrocious. But please do add your insights about atheism and Ayn Rand, if you can substantiate them.--Andy Schlafly 23:11, 30 June 2009 (EDT)
Mr. Schlafly maybe it is worth putting mention of her rather militant atheism into this? I find nothing wrong with her ideals but perhaps in the article itself we could explain her experiences in growing up in a communist society? She would have been very conditioned by the state to not like religion. Perhaps an effect that chased her? --TaylorH 00:13, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

Her liberal viewpoints

Although they are mentioned later on in the article, her liberal views on abortion, gay marriage, etc. should be more prominently displayed, preferably in the article's intro. This would be, at the least, keeping with the general format I've seen for articles on liberal people, or people who happen to have liberal views. Also, why are her works listed on the Main Page as if they are useful to the average conservative reader? A work, no matter how "conservative" the tone, or message, if written by a liberal, should not be promoted. If anything, I wonder if that makes it even more...suspicious, that she wrote it that way. AliceCurtis 15:32, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

Have to agree, we really should note that she's far closer to a liberal than to a true conservative especially given her outlook. And just because she promotes people being loyal to themselves and not to the state doesn't mean she's conservative. Remember, Sartre promoted stuff that comes across as being very individualistic, yet last I checked, he was extremely left-wing in his outlook. Pokeria1 (talk) 12:57, 12 May 2016 (EDT)

Anti-Ayn Rand bias in this article. Why is this being done?

This article is trying to deny that Ayn Rand was an inspiration to American conservatism all because of her atheism. She rejected religion on the basis that she viewed it as totalitarian and removing individual freedom and individual responsibility from people. Ayn Rand was admired by British conservative icon Margaret Thatcher and Ayn Rand is an inspiration to the Tea Party movement, her book Atlas Shrugged is supported by libertarian conservatives. Aside from disagreements by religious social conservatives to her atheism, why is this bias against Ayn Rand so strong here?--TheQuestioner 13:32, 3 August 2012 (EDT)

Economic conservatives don't have much of a problem but social conservatives are particularly hard on her philosophy. Rand opposition to religion was based on her rejection of faith and her rejection of altruism.
If a conservative sees faith in Christ as important for salvation but appeals to an empirical study for justifying social systems (like economics) Rand's objection seems besides the point. Both rejection the subjectivism of the left. If one looks at Rand's criticism of Christianity's altruism, it appears that she read Jesus as a leftist might. In that case a Christian conservative could just "shrug" and say she mistook the Christian social message as code for a "social gospel" or leftist "social justice." In any case, Rand's enormous respect for Aquinas should indicate she respected rational conservative Christianity.
Thus, I agree that the article could be improved with proper qualifiers to indicate that her combative rhetoric often obscured important common ground. After all, Conservapedia tries to cover social conservative, neo-conservative, libertarian, and other fellow travelers. Perhaps it is time to put Rand in perspective. We'd have a scoop over Wikipedia. Given that Paul Ryan was inspired and went on from there ... why not? JasonNYC 11:31, 15 August 2012 (EDT)

The article states,"Her followers today tend to be libertarians and predominantly unmarried men, many of whom are drawn to a self-indulgent lifestyle consistent with Rand's philosophy." However in her book "For the New Intellectual" she said, "Achievement of your happiness is the only moral purpose of your life, and that happiness, not pain or mindless self-indulgence, is the proof of your moral integrity, since it is the proof and the result of your loyalty to the achievement of your values" according to Brainy Quotes. I think her statement reveals that a self-indulgent lifestyle is certainly not consistent with her philosophy. Also there is no evidence given that her followers are predominantly unmarried men. RobertHBiggadike (talk) 17:16, 12 April 2019 (EDT)


Ayn Rand was not a libertarian, and, in fact, was highly critical (to put it mildly) of libertarian philosophy, which she regarded as hijacking aspects of her writings. Is there any objection to me correcting this?

You might want to explain why. See saw the libertarians as subjectivists and in that she shared some common ground with conservatives. While she agreed with libertarians on rights she recoiled on their defense of hedonism (as she saw it). She also was strong on defense even if she preferred that we keep our powder dry. JasonNYC 11:35, 15 August 2012 (EDT)
JasonNYC, where do you find this information on defense of hedonism? I've never seen it in her books or elsewhere. I would like to see exactlt what she said. RobertHBiggadike (talk) 17:27, 12 April 2019 (EDT)
Ayn Rand rejected ALL political movements, I think. She rejected libertarians with a capital "L". But that does not mean she has similarities in views with libertarians today, with a small "l". I welcome more info on this, but simply saying that her philosophy was not libertarian in nature would not be very informative to visitors seeking to learn.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 18:24, 12 April 2019 (EDT)