Talk:Homosexuality and Revelation controversy

Sorcerers refers to drug dealers. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!}` Sorcery (pharmakia) is drugs and a sorcerer is a drug dealer. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 22:11, February 16, 2022 (EST)

See also Deut 23:18. [1] Thou shalt not bring the hire of a whore, or the price of a dog, into the house of the LORD thy God for any vow: for even both these are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

These are idioms that were translated literally. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 22:09, February 16, 2022 (EST)

In Medieval times sorcery was reborn as alchemy. In modern times we would call it Faucism - the idea that everything, even incurable diseases like AIDS, can be treated with drugs.

At the time of Christ, cross-border trade existed, and Afghan poppies or opium was sold in the Middle East. Simon the Sorcerer, who had a big following (of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries), was losing some of his perennial drug addicted customers as repentant sinners to the church (IOWs, lifetime addicts were miraculously being cured, which surprised Simon the Sorcerer. Once a drug dealer had a customer, they had them and that source of income for life. It was a market that was suppose to only continuously grow). At that time, there was no aspirin, and opium evidently was used as a pain killer for all kinds of common ailments, even a common headache. Probably given to children, too. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 22:52, February 16, 2022 (EST)

Great points, including the observation about the additional mistranslation in Deut 23:18. Of course that reference to "dogs" is a reference to homosexuals there, yet most modern English translation conceal the true meaning.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 23:30, February 16, 2022 (EST)

"dog" was the idiomatic nickname in Hebrew for homosexual, which was carried over into Greek, and translated literally in English. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 23:44, February 16, 2022 (EST)

Now, by the time we get into the Greek New Testament, "dog" is expanded to mean "unclean person", as in it is not meet to give the children's bread to dogs. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 23:46, February 16, 2022 (EST)

But in this Revelation passage it makes perfect sense relevent to today, For without are gays, and drug dealers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. What needs to be kept in mind is the double meaning, one specific to homosexuals from the law in Deuteronomy, and the other to the wider implication of all unclean persons. This leads into a discussion of racist attitudes by some Jews toward unclean persons (We be not born of fornication; we have one Father, even God) at the time of Christ (John chapter 8). RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 23:51, February 16, 2022 (EST)

Jesus referred to Gentiles as "dogs", not homosexuals. Even Peter had this prejudicial attitude toward unclean gentiles until he had the revelation, Call not thou unclean what God has made clean. RobS^{Let's Go Brandon!} 00:33, February 17, 2022 (EST)