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Results of Value Voter Debate

Mike Huckabee wins the Value Voter Debate Straw Poll with 63% of the delegates vote. “While many very good candidates attended the event, Governor Mike Huckabee was the clear winner.” [1] Full Results

Go Mike! I know that I may have sounded like a Thompson supporter before, but this guy is really my choice; he's the cleanest and most conservative guy out there. -MikeZoeller 22:56, 22 September 2007 (EDT)


Wait - we say that a guy unsuccesfully critisizes the decision - is that even possible? He critisizes it - not successfully or unsuccessfully--IDuan 19:28, 18 September 2007 (EDT)

Go Maryland! Hopefully this decision can set an example for the rest of the Northeast US. -MikeZoeller 23:05, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

Interesting item....


"If you're proud to be an American, you must know about your country's history and its foreign policies, right?

Then where was the final battle fought that ended the Revolutionary War?

What were the "inalienable rights" referred to in the Declaration of Independence?

What group supported Saddam Hussein before his downfall?

If you don't know the answers, you're not alone.

A survey released Tuesday found that students from 50 colleges nationwide, including top Ivy League schools, failed a test that asked these and other questions to determine their knowledge of American history and economics. College seniors know "astoundingly little about America's history, political thought, market economy and international relations," according to the report "Failing Our Students, Failing America: Holding Colleges Accountable for Teaching America's History and Institutions."

About 14,000 freshmen and seniors at colleges nationwide were asked 60 multiple-choice questions about American history, government, the market economy and global relations.

The average score for about 7,000 seniors who took the America civic literacy exam this year was 54.2 percent, or an F. That was only 1 percentage point higher than the average for seniors last year. Freshmen scored an average 50.34 percent on the test, down from 51.7 percent last year.

Only 46 percent of college seniors knew the line, "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal...," is from the Declaration of Independence.

However, a Reno professor said the survey is a poor indicator of students' understanding of American history and government. "I think that whether or not a student knows something about the War of 1812, for example, tells us nothing about their civic understanding," said Scott Casper, who teaches history at the University of Nevada, Reno. Casper said memorizing historical dates and other information doesn't give students insight into democracy or encourage civic participation as much as learning how to think and question what they read and hear. "Being able to understand and think critically about various kinds of documents they read or speeches and television ads they see is really what good citizenship is all about," he said. "That's a more important measurement than getting 30 or 40 questions out of 60 right."

Now it is very clear as to why the results were so miserable......--şŷŝôρ-₮KṢρёаќǃ 07:03, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Haha, reminds me of the H. Clinton line: "God bless the America we are trying to create" ;) Yeah, we're gonna need it! Mathers 09:33, 19 September 2007 (EDT)


OMG...First Obama mixes religion and politics, now he's pitching tax cuts for the rich. If he gains anymore momentum, they're going to need a Larry Flynt-Anita Hill style sting operation to knock him down. Rob Smith 12:19, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Rathergate Redux

This might be interesting for Breaking News: Dan Rather has decided that his incompetence is all CBS's fault, and he's suing them for $70million(!),2933,297370,00.html --PeteVan 16:51, 19 September 2007 (EDT)

Democrats reject right of habeas corpus?

Uhm... Is it my lacking skill in english, or... is this front page news item a straight out lie? Democrats where voting in favour of restoring habeas corpus, not against it. [3] WillM 13:17, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

I didn't add that headline, and it does strike me as unusual. I'll check it out immediately, and clarify as appropriate. Thanks and Godspeed.--Aschlafly 13:20, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Psychologist confirms that liberals lack elements of the moral compass

See the second page of [4]. The research also explains how conservatives are able to understand liberal arguments but libs can't understand conservative arguments. SkipJohnson 13:28, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Great catch. I'm trying to think of how to put this on the front page while complying with our family-friendly rules. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 13:36, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
the article makes a few good points, but it is largely about evolution and natural selection, and therefore likely inappropriate for the main page. AuH2O 13:38, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
Yes, there's definitely an appeal to evolution and natural selection throughout the piece. ConserveATory 22:41, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Pew Research Poll

I examined the Pew Poll that is mentioned on the main page but I couldn't locate the question referenced in the main page headline. Could someone help me find it? Thanks!--Porthos 14:55, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

Sorry, its fixed now. It was the Zogby Poll. Rob Smith 17:33, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
From what I see, the front page should then also read "with Congress" (or "with Democrat-led Congress" if you wish) instead of "with Democrats" - this is job approval, not party approval (and Bush also had "[r]ecord-low approval ratings", but I guess that won't make the front page...). Additionally, when disaffection continues to sink, it means something GOOD has happened... not quite what you meant, I take it? --Jenkins 17:43, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
This is just shorthand newspeak, ya know, like "the Reagan deficits" when we all know it's the Congress that does the Appropriations. Don't confuse me with the facts. In fact, the suggestion you made seems a little subversive, does it not?, going against established traditions and trends. Rob Smith 18:00, 20 September 2007 (EDT)
"Congress" has fewer letters than "Democrats". Shorthand and the precise phrasing would be "Congress". And I don't know why a suggestion to add more precise language is "subversive". And the bit about the sinking disaffection still startles me. --Jenkins 18:07, 20 September 2007 (EDT)

An Open Debate

How about Conservapedia considers the notion of allowing Liberals to talk openly about important issues on a specially designed section of the wiki? Diverse ideas are essential for an online project like this, and with the selective implementation of the 90/10 rule aimed towards someones political and personal beliefs, perhaps it is time to allow some part of the forum where open discussion is allowed without the threat of the banhammer.

It would take away from the constant questions posed in the talk pages; The Debate pages are already marshalled very closely disallowing for a free exchange of ideas. I think its time you realised that Liberals by and large don't hate you. We are people with different ideas, both believing our politics is the right version for our home countries and for the world. Why not embrace this fact rather than ridicule those who pigeonhole themselves into the alternative political brackets. The great Conservative Edmund Burke once wrote something along the lines of 'we are all right until we meet someone who doesn't agree with us' Graham 11:16, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

James Carville said it all in his book, We're Right, They're Wrong. Unfortunately, that is the mindset of "liberalism" conservatives have been subjected to in the post-Soviet Era (1992-present). So until we see (a) a rejection and condemnation of that approach, or (b) genuine reform efforts, you will probably see the mirror Ann Coulter in-your-face response to that type of popular close-minded liberal snobbery that predominates civil discussion. Rob Smith 15:47, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

Samwell block thing

I like to look through a lot of the recent changes since I don't have a chance to log in as much as I'd like. I couldn't believe what I saw when I noticed all of the blocking that Samwell was doing. Shouldn't we mention this somewhere in the news? This is definately deceit, plain and simple. It shows the pure childishness that the libs will go to when they try to derail our movement. Your friend.--Ubiqtorate76 11:51, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

  • Well you pretty much summed it up, eh? There are people and sites that believe their disagreement with a religious or political philosophy or POV justifies any and all actions they might take. This is, of course, no different than the thinking of every intolerant bigot, dictator or mass murderer that has slimed the planet throughout history. No different from the Nazi's, the Communists or the KKK. Too extreme of talk? Well the non-logic behind their thinking is exactly the same. Whenever anyone begins to think that the end results justifies any means, that "two wrongs make one right", all of us are in deep trouble. Of course these "people" always justify their actions for the greater "good". That to is the same excuse Hitler used to shove millions of people into boxcars, and Stalin too. Pol Pot used the same "greater good" theory in the Killing Fields. The Truth is, whenever anyone uses Deceit or force to push their POV, that is total proof their "ideas" are merely intolerance for others. --şŷŝôρ-₮KṢρёаќǃ 16:16, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

Dobson on Thompson

Here is an interesting article.--Tash 12:32, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

"Isn't Thompson the candidate who is opposed to a constitutional amendment to protect marriage, believes there should be 50 different definitions of marriage in the U.S., favors McCain-Feingold, won't talk at all about what he believes, and can't speak his way out of a paper bag on the campaign trail?" questioned Dobson.

"He has no passion, no zeal, and no apparent 'want to,'" the Focus on the Family founder continued. "And yet he is apparently the Great Hope that burns in the breasts of many conservative Christians? Well, not for me, my brothers. Not for me!" [5]

Fake film footage

There's a lot of fakery, or at least "dramatic recreation", in film footage Middle East violence. We're all familiar with the "Palestinian funeral", where the "corpse" falls off the stretcher and is then seen on film standing up and climbing back on. [6]

Not this this has much bearing on whether Israel's overall attitude toward its Arab population and neighbors is good or bad. It speaks to the issue of who is telling the truth.

When CBS reconstructs a document, they should label it clearly. They must say that it's a facsmile or re-recreation - not a "photocopy" of the original.

When Arab cameraman stage a dramatization of an incident, it should be labeled as an illustration or re-creation. It should never be implied that this was live footage.

This is a core issue for our encyclopedia to deal with: how trustworthy is side about its actions (past) and plans (future)? --Ed Poor Talk 12:33, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

Déjà vu all over again?

Tragedies, not tragedy's. Pachyderm 12:47, 21 September 2007 (EDT)

The Economy is Good

Consumer goods crowd the shelves in big box stores, and prices just keep tumbling. Recently, for example, Apple slashed the price of its iPhone from $599 to $399. That was spun, naturally, as bad news for those who bought it at full price. In reality, good news abounds, even though we seldom hear about it.

Okay, this might be more down Andy's lane, but how exactly is Apple's iPhone $200 price slash a sign that the economy is good? I quote Apple's press release: "[...] and to make iPhone affordable for even more customers this holiday season, it is lowering the price of the most popular iPhone model with 8GB of storage from $599 to just $399."

This sort of implies that they lowered the price because many people could not afford the 600 bucks phone. It's a supply/demand thing ("We have supplies, but there is lower demand than we would like, so we lower the price."), and I honestly don't see how a reasonable columnist can list that as an indicator that the economy is doing good. If it was so good, wouldn't more people buy it at the $599 price point, thus eliminating the need for a price cut?

Suggestion: Find a more authoritative source. Assuming that the claim is true, there will invariably be a source other than some column on some website. I'm not even arguing with the claim, but rather with the way some online columnist tries to make a point. --Jenkins 18:01, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

I would absolutely agree that the economy is good, as I can feel it at home here in a middle-class household. It's all thanks to the conservative economic policy of the Bush administration. -MikeZoeller 23:25, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

What "conservative economic policy" might that be? The Bush administration is by no means fiscally "conservative". Oh sure, they've cut taxes, but government spending is through the roof. BrumbleB 23:38, 22 September 2007 (EDT)
  • BrumbleB, you should spend less time posting, and more time reading the Constitution. Can you tell me who actually spends tax monies in the United States? I will give you one clue: It isn't the President. MikeZoeller, on cannot make a credible case that the Bush Administration has had a responsible economic policy either. I agree with you about its Public Policy. As Ronald Reagan proved, even optimism, and feeling good about ourselves and the Country as a whole, makes an appreciable difference. --şŷŝôρ-₮KṢρёаќǃ 05:58, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Any chance of anybody actually addressing the issue I touched? I explicitly said that I wasn't arguing about the "economy is good" claim, but rather about the (in my eyes) flawed way some columnist tries to make a point. --Jenkins 09:48, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

The economy is like a sick horse that never seems to get well. The problem economists face isn't the sick horse itself but what medicine to use, how much and when to stop. The recent cut by the Fed in the discount rate by a ½ percentage point shows that the PTB are concerned the housing bubble burst may bleed over into the rest of the economy.BrumbleB 14:10, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

BrumbleB, low taxes is what it's all about- they allow businesses both small and large to thrive, and lets the people have money in their pockets. It may be unfortunate that the government has overspent on its tax revenue, but the liberal Democratic Congress hasn't done anything to help that. -MikeZoeller 22:01, 23 September 2007 (EDT)


The name of the bomb scare airport is Logan airport, not Boston airport. It is in boston, but giving the correct name looks more professional. AuH2O

Liberal interpretation

According to our Main Page news item, Rigging a study to make conservatives look stupid, the study claims, [7] "Liberals are more responsive to informational complexity, ambiguity and novelty." If this is true, why do our liberal friends at RW have such trouble deciphering our use of the term "McCarthyism"? Rob Smith 23:02, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Free speech?

Today, Columbia University welcome's leading terrorist funder Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, who calls for the distruction of Israel, to speak before the Ivy League college, and would even allow Adolf Hitler present a speech if he were still alive, but they refuse to allow an American opposed to illegal immigration get the same opportunity.[8]