Talk:Markan priority

Internal evidence favoring Markan priority over Augustinian hypothesis?

When I was looking at the section in the Gospels about Jesus declaring Himself Lord of the Sabbath, I noticed that the placement is not consistent. Mark and Luke place it as follows: paralytic healed → Levi (aka Matthew) called → fasting question → Lord of the Sabbath → man with withered hand. Matthew's Gospel, OTOH, is different; paralytic healed → Levi (aka Matthew) called → fasting question are placed in the same order as Mark and Luke (in Chapter 9 of the Gospel of Matthew), but the part about the Sabbath isn't mentioned until the start of Chapter 12! Let's evaluate this by separately supposing the validity of the Augustinian hypothesis and Markan priority, and whether the logic adds up:

• Assuming that the Gospel of Matthew was written first, then it's interesting that Mark and Luke, who subsequently would copy from Apostle Matthew, place the section about Jesus being Lord of the Sabbath, not only different from Matthew's placement, yet exactly the same way respective to preceding and succeeding sections in their manner of ordering. If Matthew's Gospel was written first, then it's plain unlikely that Mark and Luke would have independently and coincidentally felt like placing that part the exact same way; in order to still give credence to the Augustinian hypothesis, either Mark or Luke borrowed the other's work.
• Under Markan priority, it would go to follow that Mark's Gospel was written first, and Matthew and Luke subsequently copied from him, presumably in their own independent style; this therefore explains why Matthew and Luke's placement of the Sabbath section is different between those two Gospels. When Luke copied from Mark, he felt like retaining Mark's ordering, while when Matthew copied, he decided to place it in a different area respective to preceding and succeeding sections.
  • Here's something interesting: Matthew's ordering, when one reads Chapters 11–12, indicates chronological succession when it comes to the section about Jesus being Lord of the Sabbath and the section right before. Mark and Luke, OTOH, don't.

Using Occam's razor, Markan priority seems like the much more sensible conclusion based on the internal evidence. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 19:54, January 26, 2023 (EST)

What is the difference between a son of man and a son of God? You, for example, are a son of man. Are you also a son of God? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:13, January 26, 2023 (EST)

The sabbath was created for man, not man for the sabbath. Therefore man is Lord of the sabbath. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:15, January 26, 2023 (EST)

That's not even relevant to what I'm addressing. Please pay attention: this section is to discuss whether Matthew or Mark's Gospel was written first, not whether "son of man" is an accurately translated term nor whether Sabbath observance is to be maintained. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 22:24, January 26, 2023 (EST)

Oh, sorry. I just read the part about "Jesus declaring Himself Lord of the Sabbath" and wanted to point out that Jesus made you Lord of the Sabbath, too. But that's contingent upon you being a son of God. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:38, January 26, 2023 (EST)

As many as received him, gave he power to become sons of God. So big deal if Jesus, as Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath; I outrank that title as a son of God. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:44, January 26, 2023 (EST)

Please, very kindly, cease your concern trolling, RobSmith. I spent time in prayer-guided independent analysis to address a key point explaning the Gospels' writing and completion by the evangelists, and you're only here to take another half-veiled swipe at me with an irrelevant diversion. It's more obvious to notice than you may expect. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Friday, 22:46, January 26, 2023 (EST)

okay. If you want to call preaching the word of God "concern trolling," I'll pray for you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 22:51, January 26, 2023 (EST)

The point is, Jesus isn't the only "son of man". That should be obvious. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:47, May 30, 2023 (EDT)

The phrase, "Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath" should be understood to mean, "humanity is Lord of the sabbath", not "Jesus is Lord of the Sabbath" as commonly misunderstood. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:51, May 30, 2023 (EDT)