Talk:Math and the Bible

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Infinity

Nahum 2:9 is quite enlightening: here, "infinity" is used to describe the great, but certainly limited treasures of Nineveh, while Nahum 3:9 talks about the boundless assistance given by Egypt.... "Infinity" in the Bible could be more of a literary than mathematical concept.

BTW: a superficial search in the Iliad came up with six occurrences of "infinite/infinity"... --AugustO 04:50, 29 May 2015 (EDT)

You're right with respect to the Old Testament. In the New Testament, the new concept of full infinity is throughout.--Andy Schlafly 19:30, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

Not a Joke Source

Is this a joke? What kind of source is http://descmath.com/diag/ancients.html ? Andy, please read what the author writes about himself ( http://descmath.com/aboutme.html ), and then come up with a better source! --AugustO 13:28, 29 May 2015 (EDT)

The cited page about the Ancients appears serious. People can have a sense of humor on other pages without detracting from educaTional work. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Aschlafly (talk)
I have no doubt that the author was serious - but it is hard to take him serious:
I switched my major from arts to mathematics, and within two years flunked out of school. My main problem was that my work on the Calculus put me on the losing side of an argument that had been raging in the mathematics community for the last century. This conflict, of course, is the schism between logicists and intuitionists. Yes, that's right, "The Calculus in Perspective" bears the ugly moniker of intuitionism. As such it is basically unpublishable.
Anyway, after losing my argument. I failed school and spent the next decade a half working custodial and clerical jobs for near minimum wage. In the 90s I was fortunate to find a company that let me hack on their computers as part of my minimum wage data entry job. Since then, I have been able to pay rent by working with companies willing to hire second rate programmers at below market rates.
--AugustO 13:45, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
August, perhaps our disagreement here reflects our different "worldviews". I think brilliant insights can emanate from sources that may be disfavored by "experts". I welcome the best of the public. But non-Christian approaches tend to favor censorship, and tend to favor rejecting anything not approved by the atheistic-leaning "establishment". I welcome the inclusion of the Epistle to the Hebrews in the Bible despite how the experts cannot identify the source.--Andy Schlafly 15:59, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
  • As usual, I'm the advocate of diligence: quoting the first one you find to agree with you on the internet isn't proper research, it's just laziness. Your reasoning boils down to "hey, look at this guy, I like his opinion, he must be the best of the public"
  • I don't know what to make of your line "But non-Christian approaches tend to favor censorship" - I'd say that my approach follows the idea of "trust, but verify".
  • "I welcome the inclusion of the Epistle to the Hebrews in the Bible despite how the experts cannot identify the source." Who doesn't welcome the inclusion? The authorship and the sources of many parts of the Bible are inviting lively debate. I just find your idea of the divine authorship of this particular Epistle especially nonsensical. --AugustO 16:22, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
--AugustO 16:22, 29 May 2015 (EDT)
A work should be judged on its merit, not based on whether someone disapproves of comedy found elsewhere by the same author. Many great works would be rejected if "trust but verify" meant scrutinizing (without a sense of humor) everything else the person wrote.--Andy Schlafly 00:02, 30 May 2015 (EDT)
  • "A work should be judged on its merit, not based on whether someone disapproves of comedy found elsewhere by the same author." I'm not disapproving of his comedy, as there is no comedy anywhere on his site. He is dead serious.
  • I'm judging the merit of his work by his writing about Cantor's diagonal argument.
  • A stopped clock may be right twice a day. But even at these occasions, it is not a good source for the correct time!
  • I stand by my previous headline: the source is a joke, though it is not funny at all
--AugustO 03:00, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

Infinite essence of God

Andy, I have a topical reference to the Bible and found these references to the infinite essence or being of God, if you are looking for more material:

Exodus 3:14: And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.
1 Kings 8:27: But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?
Job 11:7-9: Canst thou by searching find out God? canst thou find out the Almighty unto perfection? It is as high as heaven; what canst thou do? deeper than hell; what canst thou know? The measure thereof is longer than the earth, and broader than the sea.
Psalms 9:7: But the LORD shall endure for ever: he hath prepared his throne for judgment.
Psalms 45:6: Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: the sceptre of thy kingdom is a right sceptre.
Psalms 48:8-14:
As we have heard, so have we seen in the city of the LORD of hosts, in the city of our God: God will establish it for ever. Selah.
We have thought of thy loving-kindness, O God, in the midst of thy temple.
According to thy name, O God, so is thy praise unto the ends of the earth: thy right hand is full of righteousness.
Let mount Zion rejoice, let the daughters of Judah be glad, because of thy judgments.
Walk about Zion, and go round about her: tell the towers thereof.
Mark ye well her bulwarks, consider her palaces; that ye may tell it to the generation following.
For this God is our God for ever and ever: he will be our guide even unto death.
Psalm 102:12: But thou, O LORD, shalt endure for ever; and thy remembrance unto all generations.
Psalm 136:
O Give thanks unto the LORD, for he is good:
for his mercy endureth for ever.
O Give thanks to the God of gods:
for his mercy endureth for ever.
O give thanks to the Lord of lords:
for his mercy endureth for ever.
etc.
Psalm 139:7-10:
Whither shall I go from thy Spirit?
or whither shall I flee from thy presence?
If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there:
if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there.
If I take the wings of the morning,
and dwell in the uttermost parts of the sea;
Even there shall thy hand lead me,
and thy right hand shall hold me.
Isaiah 41:4: Who hath wrought it and done it, calling the generations from the Beginning? I the LORD, the first, and with the last; I am he.
Isaiah 43:10-11: Ye are my witnesses, saith the LORD, and my servant whom I have chosen; that ye may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me. I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
Isaiah 44:6: Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his Redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God.
Isaiah 48:12: Hearken unto me, O Jacob and Israel, my called; I am he; I am the first, I also am the last.
Daniel 4:34: And at the end of days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the Most High, and I praised and honored him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation....
John 8:58: Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

VargasMilan 17:39, 30 May 2015 (EDT)

Those are great quotes! Thank you.--Andy Schlafly 18:32, 30 May 2015 (EDT)