Talk:North Atlantic Treaty Organization

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Should we make mention that France withdrew from NATO's military sctructure while remaining a part of the political arm? Jros83 16:06, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

It's part of the history, so yes. Karajou 16:07, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Conservapedia?

This article is not written from a conservative view. It would be better to put it in Liberalpedia.--Alex00 09:07, 25 April 2013 (EDT)

I agreee Libelpedia is a joke worse than wilipedia Dvergne 09:14, 25 April 2013 (EDT)

NATO is now as bad as the Warsaw Pact. Time to withdraw.

We need to withdraw from NATO, now. Not because of the lack of military spending by our fellow members, but because the alliance has completely lost its moral compass. We have tolerated Erdogan as he slowly transformed Turkey into an Islamist caliphate; a neo-Ottoman Empire. It has reached the point where Turkey isn't even trying anymore to deny that its attacks on Syria and Iraq are motivated by a desire to commit jihad, and that international observers[2] are now warning that Turkey is on the edge of committing ethnic cleansing against Kurdish, Yazidi, and Christian minorities in Syria and Iraq. Both Syria and Iraq border Turkey. Turkey has been invoking self-defense as its justification for jihad. If this war ends up spreading onto Turkish soil, Erdogan will invoke Article V. We would then be obligated to militarily intervene in this war... on the side of the jihadists. That's what will happen if we stay in NATO, unless we somehow manage to push Erdogan out. I don't think trying to push Erdogan out will work because any attempt to do so will result in fierce resistance from our allies that are puppets of the EU bureaucracy, which has been supporting Erdogan. So I can safely say that if we expect to not engage in a foreign policy that would make us look obscenely bad on our part, we need to get out of NATO. No ifs, ands, or buts. If NATO is going to be a vehicle for jihad, then it is no longer a force for good. It is now a force for evil, just as bad as the Warsaw Pact.

I would also recommend that this article be substantially edited to reflect these recent developments. Time to call NATO what it is. A globalist organization, and possibly even a terrorist organization.

-Geopolitician 13:37, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

Turkey's anti-Iranian stance is the only thing holding the alliance together. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:01, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
I'm OK calling NATO a globalist organization -- it has definitely outlived its purpose, especially with the EU now about the create a common military force. However, calling it a terrorist organization seems ridiculous. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:22, 23 March 2018 (EDT)
@1990'sguy, I have two things to say about your reply.
First, while it may seem ridiculous to call NATO a terrorist organization today, it will be far from ridiculous to call NATO a terrorist organization in the near future. One of its most powerful members has gone completely rogue. It has been hijacked by radical Islamists who answer to the Muslim Brotherhood and openly sponsor Sunni jihadists. An just over the past three months, they have also openly declared a jihad against innocent civilians in Syria and Iraq; threatened to invade Greece; and threatened to attack American, Italian, and Cypriot troops and/or ships. And yet NATO continues to enable this regime. Why? Are NATO countries willing to protect this regime and even help it commit jihad by abusing Article V -- which Turkey will inevitably invoke? If so, then NATO should be called a terrorist organization, for being pro-jihad.
Second, the EU defense force is one of the main reasons why I oppose the EU. This is a blatant attempt by Germany to challenge American power in Europe and restore its WWII-era domination of the continent. This is a serious national security threat to the US regardless of who's in power in Germany. And if Germany goes through with this, then the German-American alliance is dead. We would have another reason to withdraw from NATO, because we would have no reason to treat Germany as anything other than a major geopolitical adversary on par with China and Russia. Geopolitician 9:52, 24 March 2018 (EDT)
@RobSmith, Turkey is not anti-Iran anymore. It switched sides in the Saudi-Iranian cold war back in June of last year after the crisis in Qatar broke out. Since then, relations between Saudi Arabia and Turkey have deteriorated the point that within the next few years, Turkey likely will replace Iran as Saudi Arabia's main enemy, and assume the senior partner position in the anti-Saudi bloc in the Middle East. Geopolitician 9:38, 24 March 2018 (EDT)
I'd have to examine that closer to respond. All NATO has done in recent years is prove how naive and stupid Democrat voters are. Obama & Hillary sought cover for their war of aggression against Libya by getting the UN to "authorize" NATO for an aggressive act; imagine hearing a news item that said, "The UN Security Council authorized the Chinese military to use force." You would poop your draws. RobSDeep Six the Deep State! 16:16, 24 March 2018 (EDT)
Above, interesting discussion from 7 years ago. Since then both Saudi Arabia & Turkiye have applied to join BRICS. Shows how timeless these discussions can be. RobSZelensky Must Go! 19:49, May 3, 2025 (EDT)

Update GDP Graph

The chart outlining the defense expenditure of NATO nations needs to be updated. A lot has changed since 2018. Greece has overtaken the USA on defense spending/GDP. Forbes has data using the same format. [3]

Will do. Thanks. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 14:02, April 9, 2022 (EDT)

Greenland

Looks like American Imperialism has created problems with the NATO alliance. [4] RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 16:56, January 24, 2025 (EST)

Conservapedia's impact in foreign policy discussions

Conservapedia is the only wiki project that straight out says NATO is an alliance of vassal states to the United States, (not an alliance "defending democracy", etc). Vice President JD Vance straight out said that the United States does not want vassals, which can be interpreted not as a denial, but rather an admission to the underlying charge. RobSZelensky Must Go! 19:22, May 3, 2025 (EDT)

So Norway is a vassal state of the USA? Dream on! The hard truth to hyper-Russophiles is that Russia is increasingly becoming a vassal state to China

So Norway is a vassal state of the USA?

"Norway's GDP per capita, adjusted for purchasing power parity (PPP), is significantly high. In 2023, it was estimated to be around $90,242."[5] This is higher than the USA's GDP per capita.

Where is the evidence that Norway is a vassal state of the USA?

In the words of Steven Tyler, Dream on. Dream on. Dream on.

The hard truth to hyper-Russophiles is that Russia is increasingly becoming a vassal state to China (See: Russia: From China’s Big Brother to Vassal).

Please see the political cartoon at: Why Xi can't solve Putin's Ukraine problem, Telegraph, 2023.

The United States just dictated to Norway to spend 5% of its GDP on defense.
I trust this clarifies matters. RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:24, July 12, 2025 (EDT)
The USA dictated this? Can Norway freely leave NATO if it wishes to? Is Italy going to spend 5%? We all know who the dictator is and he has an office in Moscow!
Let's hope they do before NATO's ultimate collapse in the ongoing NATO proxy war. RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:31, July 12, 2025 (EDT)

Sweden joining NATO

Goosestepping in the Swedish armed services. [1]
Flag of Sweden

Formally neutral Sweden joins NATO after Putin's invasion of Ukraine.

I trust this clarifies matters. Conservative (talk) 16:22, July 12, 2025 (EDT)

"All those who share our values and above all our institutions are part of the West and it's the strongest voluntary sphere of influence that has ever existed in world history." - the historian Stephen Kotkin.[6] Conservative (talk) 16:29, July 12, 2025 (EDT)
Draining the swamp: Gay rights activists in the US State Dept. fired.
Shared values? Like LGBT rights? RobSZelensky Must Go! 16:31, July 12, 2025 (EDT)
Did Russia decriminalize homosexuality in 1993? Are there gay bars, clubs and saunas in Moscow and St. Peterburg, Russia? Does Russia have an AIDS epidemic?[7]
Yah. It was blackmailed by the United States in weaponizing the dollar for access to IMF & World Bank loans, which is why the rest of the planet is rushing now to join BRICS.
Incidentally. all your gay rights buddies in the US State Department whose full-time job is documenting "human rights violations" to blackmail other countries just got fired by Rubio. [8]
Note: your redundant spamming talk page arguments is a violation of Conservapedia:Guidelines#Inappropriate.2Ftrolling_behavior. And if I'm not mistaken, that rule was written by yourself.
"Italy is currently committed to reaching NATO's 2% of GDP target for defense spending, not 5%. While some discussions have involved a hypothetical 5% target, and there's a push for increased defense spending, there's no current commitment or plan for Italy to spend 5% of its GDP on defense."[9]
I noticed that you didn't rebut that Russia is now a vassal state of China. Don't think I didn't notice. Because I did! Conservative (talk) 16:37, July 12, 2025 (EDT)
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Russian economy: Cracks are appearing in the Russian economy, Unherd, July 2025. Russian military: Russia Starts Sending GRANDPAS to the Front Lines, July 2025.
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