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...seriously?

Augustine promoted heretical teachings such as eternal tormentism (opposed by the Anti-Nicene Fathers), and was a vicious Jew-hater. And yet we're going along with calling him a saint and putting him in the Christianity template? —LT (Matthew 26:52) Tuesday, 21:45, May 8, 2023 (EDT)

I don't know about him being a heretic and a Jew hater, I mean I don't agree with all of his teachings (such as saying if we don't baptize infants and they die they are in limbo, as well as the fact that he probably believed in Purgatory), but keep in mind there would be no Protestantism without him as he taught we cannot merit salvation and held Protestant views on free will and grace, plus he didn't believe in transubstantiation.[1] So even though I don't agree with every one of his teachings (just like how I don't agree with all of Luther's and Calvin's teachings), I don't know if I would call him a heretic due to his wide influence on orthodox Western Christianity and Protestantism that still continues to this day. -Mr. Nationalist (talk)

The theological positions held by the Ante-Nicene/Apostolic Fathers are much more in line with biblical teachings than that of Nicene and Post-Nicene figures. Church Fathers in later centuries used anti-Jewish attacks in appeals to pagans. —LT (Matthew 26:52) Tuesday, 22:04, May 8, 2023 (EDT)

True, I do agree that the early church gradually grew more corrupt in doctrine over time and that is how modern Catholicism came about. The Apostolic Fathers were very Proto-Protestant, as evidenced by their writings (such as Polycarp of Smyrna's writings on grace, for instance). Over time the church just drifted away from God, similar to how the Israelites would from time to time in the Old Testament. As for anti-Jewish attacks, however, I don't know about that, as I would argue that what Constantine did and whether it was pagan or not is debatable. -Mr. Nationalist (talk) 23:39, May 8, 2023 (EDT)