Talk:War on Freedom

Potential source

This source (an English translation of a conservative Chinese book) focuses specifically on communist influence in the "liberal" West, but it might be useful for this article: [1]

Also, I have several sources on my user page that I intend to use to expand this article. Feel free to use them yourselves. --1990'sguy (talk) 00:14, 11 August 2019 (EDT)

I kinda like the Growth in bureaucracy section. I'll probably start there first. But it may be some stream of consciousness Original research, with a little added from Civil service system. Something along the theme of "With growth in bureaucracy comes loss of personal freedom.

With an article like this, we should be mindful that no single section dominates the page. We should target something like about 250 words for each section, and expand from there. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 22:47, 11 August 2019 (EDT)

Here are some more potential sources related to John Locke and the founding fathers: 1,2,3,4 --1990'sguy (talk) 14:59, 24 August 2019 (EDT)

The new book Restoring Our Republic: The Making of the Republic and How We Reclaim It Before It's Too Late [2] might be useful for this article and related articles. --1990'sguy (talk) 11:21, 4 January 2020 (EST)

DARPA

There is a red link to DARPA in this article -- if the article is created, here's a good potential source to use: [3] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:02, 3 September 2019 (EDT)

Here's another potential source on DARPA: [4] --1990'sguy (talk) 16:24, 14 September 2019 (EDT)

I've been thinking about a DARPA article for a long, long time. Not being a techie, I've shied away from it. I'd like to do something along the lines of the first 10 minutes of this video with George Friedman, which is excellent. Wish there was a transcript of it. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 17:12, 14 September 2019 (EDT)

Wow. I just figured out how to make a transcript from a YouTube video. We may have a DARPA article in the near future. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 18:05, 14 September 2019 (EDT)

Franzen

A New Yorker article manages to somehow link left-wing environmental, gun, and immigration policies together: [5] This article might be useful, as all three positions are aspects of the War on Freedom, though it might not be easy to find a place for it. --1990'sguy (talk) 20:45, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

I'm reading Breitbart and the original right now; some of it definitely could go int War on Science. I'll slice and dice and see what we can come up with. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 21:29, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

Ok, read 'em both. The original is just too painful and makes me want to put a gun to my head, not because of carbon emissions and doomsday, but for having to share the planet with such idiocy. The first two paragraphs of the Breitbart synopsis, however, maybe we could cut n' paste wholesale into one of the Introductory sections with a little narrative text linking the "climate change" agenda with "authoritarianism". RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 22:41, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

Sounds good to me. Your edit in the "War on Science" article looks good. --1990'sguy (talk) 23:08, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

Thanks I left it open there cause there is still much to be said; the pseudoscience of lowering global temperatures 2 degrees Celsius by slave reparations, etc., an idea we need to allow to fully develop and spread over many pages. The New Yorker article is another step in that direction. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 00:32, 10 September 2019 (EDT)

One more point: we're beginning to see this coalescing - wedding LGBT to Antifa, gun control to climate change, immigration advocacy to abortion (makes a lot of sense, doesn't it; Bernie Sanders advocates abortion for population control cause population is killing the planet, but libs want more immigrants to come here to kill the planet faster), etc. We need to study these "diverse" identity groups )rather than just lump them all together as lunatics, (as is often the conservative response) and exploit the discrepancies. This is core to conversion and recruitment. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 00:55, 10 September 2019 (EDT)

Here's another follow up article on the Franzen piece. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 14:57, 11 September 2019 (EDT)

Religious freedom

Here's an interesting article that could fit into the war on religious freedom; it will take some artistry however to not let it alter the overall direction of that subsection and make it appear as a purely partisan election year attack. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 18:09, 1 September 2019 (EDT)

Good idea -- it symbolizes/illustrates the Left's growing opposition to religious freedom, particularly for those whose beliefs they disagree with. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:37, 1 September 2019 (EDT)

The California legislature passed a resolution blaming conservative Christian organizations for LGBT suicides: [6] In calling on people to oppose these organizations' views, California is trying to marginalize traditional Christian moral belief. --1990'sguy (talk) 22:39, 17 September 2019 (EDT)

Judicial activism

1990sguy; you want to do this one? I'm too tired and I've been working on the Buttigieg article.

South Bend at center of abortion debate as unlicensed clinic supported by Mayor Pete Buttigieg is allowed to open via court injunction, By ANGIE LEVENTIS LOURGOS, CHICAGO TRIBUNE |, AUG 06, 2019. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 08:31, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Yes, I will add this soon. --1990'sguy (talk) 08:32, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

I'll thumbnail what I know so far; MSM is trying to cover up this story.

A South Bend abortionist since 1978 who recently died had over 2,200 baby corpses in his home. About 2012 Mayor Pete overrode a zoning ordinance and banned a pro-life rescue clinic from opening next door. The doctor had his license striped for performing abortions on girls as young as 10 and 13 and not reporting to the state or police as required, and other violations. He was the only abortionist in town.

Ok, that's one story. The doctor recently retired and died, so a company with a string of franchises in several states has moved into South Bend. They don't have a license. They have bad records in several states. Again, Buttigieg vetoed a zoning bill that would have allowed a pro-life group from opening next door. This is the only news item I found that refers to both the old retired abortionist and the new company, published a month ago when the retired guy was still alive. It looks like a big story to me for a presidential candidate, but I have to piece it together from at least six different partial accounts.

The judicial activism aspect for the new company is just one portion; you ought to be able to wring sentence or two out of it, including Buttigieg's name. I'll do the House of Horrors aspect on his bio page. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 13:14, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

<Aside: I'm infuriated; the 2200 baby corpses were seized in jars in the guys home in Chicago suburbs, about a 60 mile drive to South Bend. As a kid in the early 1960s I recall vividly going to the Chicago Museum of Science and Industry where they had about 8 fetus's, preserved in pickle jars, for "educational purposes" for children - in the pre Roe v. Wade era when abortion was still illegal. They taught us then that these fetus's had been seized from a circus freak show and brought to the Museum for "educational purposes". The horrifying incident has stuck with me my entire life, since the abortion debates of the 1970s. If "science" knew these fetus's were human in 1963 when they "educated" an 8 year old child about human life and reproduction, how the hell did science and law deny they were human ten years later? And why they didn't they just take those fetus' back to a freak show and charge admission in 1973 since they supposedly weren't human anyway, rather than keep brainwashing children for free at a supposed "science" museum?>

I just added the info to the article. That said, there are many, many examples of judicial activism (on my user page, I have several examples of activist courts in other countries legalizing homosexual "marriage" despite popular/legislative opposition). Should we give specific examples in this article, and if so, on which issues? --1990'sguy (talk) 22:41, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

That's a good question. The article needs some rounding out and balance in all subsections. We could fill up all subsections with longwinded historical examples, but we probably don't want to do that. I suggested that link so we could put in a direct link to Pete Buttigieg, which shows how voting for an executive branch official results in a vote for unelected judicial branch activist. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 10:34, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

Here's yet another example of judicial activism nullifying the will of the people -- Northern Ireland's court ruled against a law passed by its parliament restricting abortion: [7] --1990'sguy (talk) 21:06, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

We should add Dred Scott and Roe v. Wade. Then say something about Brown v. Board and why this was the correct decision. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 21:43, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Freedom vs. liberty

Freedom and liberty are similar concepts, but they are not identical: 1,2 "War on Freedom" sounds a lot better/smoother than "War on Liberty," but at the very least, maybe we should differentiate freedom and liberty in the article. I'm beginning to think that this article really discusses the Left's war on liberty. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:02, 28 September 2019 (EDT)

Good idea, we really do need some distinctions between the two (the last thing we need is people taking the same definition of freedom that the left does and conflate it with anarchy and lawlessness). And they make very good points in those articles. Ammo's article, if I have one thing to complain about it, shouldn't have implied that the Jacobin notion of Freedom was the opposite of Thomas Jefferson's notion of freedom. Actually, if anything, Jefferson agreed with the Jacobin notion of Freedom, even helped draft the Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen, and notoriously acted as a massive cheerleader for the Jacobin cause during their worst excesses even when his fellow founding fathers started feeling disgust for the Jacobins' acts starting with the September Massacres. Heck, he even broke off his friendship with John Adams over this, and he apparently dissed George Washington as an "apostate of liberty" for refusing to back the French. If anything, we should go by Alexander Hamilton and John Adam's definition. Pokeria1 (talk) 13:46, 29 September 2019 (EDT)

Judicial tyranny

Here's a claim that needs to be investigated and verified:

In eight years of Obama, there were only two national injunctions issued by federal judges against him. In just three years of the Trump presidency, we have had FORTY national injunctions by Obama and Clinton federal district court judges against the Trump administration. Only 27 such national injunctions were issued during the entire 20th Century.

RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 09:39, 22 November 2019 (EST)