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We can discuss our strategy on this page. The other team supposedly can't read it (I can't read their page). Unless Sharon and Andy peek in here (which they won't do), we should be ok. This will be better than private emails, as the entire team can see this in one place. I'm not putting anything in the summary, because I don't want it to show up in the recent changes. --Crocoite 02:40, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

For some reason, I could see the whole part above in the recent changes. I wonder who else can see it? --Crocoite 02:43, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
I think it does that with all New pages, unfortunately :( As for strategy, I'm holding back a shed load of articles until the competition starts, hence, I've been only really doing minor edits the last few days. File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 09:34, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

Also, you could work on the types of hummingbirds, found here, there is over 300 types left. Since we can get points from welcoming people, just go in the new users file and post welcomes on their talk pages. Just a few suggestions. --BethTalk2ME 12:33, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

I am going to be doing what I would normally do. I didn't want to be rude and say I didn't want to be in the contest. Please don't send me a lot of mail regarding the contest. I am not sure how active I am going to be in regards to Conservapedia in the short term. If you want to replace me I have no problems with that. Conservative 13:32, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
From my viewpoint, I would say your normal production for Conservapedia is already at a point where you will be an asset. Who knows, you may well get caught up in the contest as well and put in just a bit extra. It's all for fun anyway and the good of Conservapedia. ;-) Learn together 02:44, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

I'm still making entries, but they're mostly stragglers. When the contest begins, I intend to start creating articles in rapid succession, and hopefully types that Andy will be pleased with for the overall feel of Conservapedia. I intend to have fun! I hope everyone else does too. ;-) Learn together 15:19, 8 July 2007 (EDT)


The two things I suggest are these:

  • We make each relevent article the best it can be. It means NO STUBS; we build upon any stubs that are there and expand them considerably. If we have to, use Britannica as a guide (and only a copying!) to structure and flow of thought.
  • We beat the pants off the others. Period.

Karajou 14:31, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

How many lines do you consider "It is not a Stub"? That is very important because of time and effort. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 23:52, 8 July 2007 (EDT)
A stub to me is between a couple sentences to a paragraph long. That is much too short. Picture this stub:
  • The Bermuda Triangle is a mysterious body of water which has caused many ships and airplanes to disappear. Among the most famous disappearences is Flight 19.
What I just wrote is a typical stub, very common to CP...and yes, I hate them! They sound too short and too much like the third grade. Now click on both of those links and you'll see my solution to stubs, which is the quality and detail to what I want to see in our contest. Karajou 00:29, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Those two articles are just great but, how many of them could a player make a day?

Please see Chicken. As at this moment what we are suppose to do is to win the Contest, articles like Chicken could give us 120 points per player daily. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 00:52, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

We must all do our best. What each of us could try to do is concentrate on at least one good, detailed article a day, then post them here. If assistance is requested, or if several people wish to contribute to make a single article better, such as Sasquatch below, then we could also post it here. It's the detailed, informative articles that I think will win for us; the other people won't be thinking of that at all. Karajou 00:56, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

I understand your point of view, but an excellent article will give us only 10 points. As I think the team has to work together with the same spirit, please choose one length I we all will try to work with that idea. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 01:07, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Something I think would be helpful would be to put links on this page for the sections we should be checking up:

  • New Users
  • Recent edits
  • Entries without categories
  • Entries that are stubs, etc.

Phillip once showed me a way to check up every article on Conservapedia in alpha order, but that no longer works. Any helpful tips or tricks of the trade are appreciated. ;-) Learn together 15:19, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

Can any one contact Beth? Maybe She doesn't know contest could begin next Tuesday. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 23:52, 8 July 2007 (EDT)

Lock the articles

We should lock each article we do when posted until the end of the contest, that way we have no interference from a non-sysop who wants to edit (or vandalize) each article. Karajou 00:32, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

First article: Sasquatch

I've got a big part of this article started, and we could work on it together. The layout is what you see so far, followed by:

hair evidence
fingerprint evidence
photographic evidence
Patterson/Gimlin film
scientific criticism

illustrations as needed. Karajou 00:44, 9 July 2007 (EDT)


For internal communication, please use the E-Mail better than this page. It is not for security but for efficiency.

- Send the E-Mail and leave at the CP Talk page of the player the following message: "em"

- If you see in your Talk page "em" please check your personal Mail.

At present I have this addresses:



Learn together:



I will try to get the others. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 07:45, 9 July 2007 (EDT)


Feel free to work in this Contest as you please, according to your personal skills.


I think a winning strategy could be this one:

- Try to make articles like Chicken, that could give us about 120 points a day per player. (estimated).


- Start with an IMAGE or PHOTO, and then add a short introductory text, one paragraph as reference, and some links. Finally set the Category.

It is easer to find a good text for an image than to find an good image for a text.

At this moment for Conservapedia is important to have many brief articles. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 08:30, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

As Rule 4 says: "They will keep a record of their work on a page set aside for that purpose."

Please be ready with your personal RECORD PAGE. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 08:51, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Sites with Public domain material

Send by Aschlafly on (01:15, 9 July 2007)

Joaquin, one good type of resource that I want you to be aware of is this: United States government websites. Because we funded those websites as taxpayers, there is no copyright protection and we can almost always copy information from them without attribution or restriction. If the information is unbiased, as in scientific terms or information about countries or numerous other topics, then copying from those websites is fine. The same is not true for state websites (e.g., California or Florida), because they often do assert a copyright. Also, there may be prohibitions on copying certain US government images, such as the emblem for a division of government like the CIA.

--User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 01:20, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Federal government images are not bound by copyright restrictions. Karajou 01:21, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

We still have to give credit where credit is due. Just because it is public domain does not mean we shouldn't acknowledge the source. At the bottom of the article in question, we should state a disclaimer something like "This article written in part from material contributed from the Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships of the United States Naval Institute, which is in the public domain." Karajou 14:37, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

If you add
{{License|license = This work is in the [[public domain]] in the United States because it is a work of the United States Federal Government under the terms of Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 105 of the US Code.}}
you will be correctly tagged. You can add the source info if you like, using
{{License|license = This work is in the [[public domain]] in the United States because it is a work of the United States Federal Government under the terms of Title 17, Chapter 1, Section 105 of the US Code.| source = ['''INSERT LINK HERE''']}}

File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 14:49, 9 July 2007 (EDT)


does competition start? File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 13:58, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Tomorrow is the selected date.--BethTalk2ME 14:06, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Thanks, Beth; hm, what time? :D File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 14:07, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Not sure. I would just think at some point in the morning.--BethTalk2ME 14:09, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

You see, tomorrow starts here in about 4 hrs 50 mins :) File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 14:10, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

Well that should give you a good boost Fox. ;-) Learn together 14:30, 9 July 2007 (EDT)

additional articles

Until I get my specific contest page set up, I'm going to place my article listings here. Karajou 00:33, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Protected page

I'm not sure if Learn Together or Tash will be able to edit it now - they are not in sysop usergroup. Can we unprotect this page again? File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 11:01, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Early lead

I think we have the initiative :D File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 10:34, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

I haven't even started with my entries for flora and fauna yet :P File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 11:04, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
Hm, 2 am here now, starting to see vandals who aren't there :D Time to call it a day.... until tomorrow :) File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 21:07, 10 July 2007 (EDT)


That Mtur is a rati-nalwiki troll, of that I'm sure. Probably Human or AmesG. I keep waiting for him to overstep the mark and then I'm going to hit him hard with the Ban Hammer indefinitely ;) File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 11:42, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

I blocked him for three hours so that he's not in our hair while we are trying to work! :P--BethTalk2ME 11:43, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Oh and I call it "Trash-inal" wiki.:P--BethTalk2ME 17:30, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

LoL Sweet! I like that name :D File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 18:39, 10 July 2007 (EDT)
If anyone cares to take a real, careful look at their pages, they are truly trashy! This is the "new and exciting direction" that ex-CP user Tmtoulouse said he was going to take, and by gum, he's right! Karajou 20:25, 10 July 2007 (EDT)

Changing the scoring system

This is just plain dumb; you can't change the system after the competition has stated, surely?? Sorry guys, but this is asking too much now, I'm out of it. File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 15:12, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Fox, you can do well under any system. In the end it's about what we were able to produce for Conservapedia. I'm not sure what changes they're advocating, but whatever it is both teams will be affected and we'll be fine. Keep your chin up buddy, you're doing great. ;-) Learn together 15:28, 11 July 2007 (EDT)
Andy told the judges they could make changes during the contest, and I saw these coming. You could see the judges (especially Hoji) commenting about stubs, and they're trying to give us more incentive to create quality articles instead of thousands of stubs.
True, it would have been better if these changes were made before the contest started, but you saw the judges part was set up at the last minute and the contest began right away. I appreciate your contibutions to this team and the CP site, and I hope you will continue participating in this contest. --Crocoite 16:10, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Yes, please do Fox. You have been one of top contributors in the contest and if you leave now our chances will be slim. Please don't leave.--BethTalk2ME 17:11, 11 July 2007 (EDT)

Starving :/ Off for dinner, back in a couple of hours File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 11:44, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

Keeping track of edits

Is there an easy way to copy them from the log into the area they want us to report on what changes we've made? I was only giving counts the first day, but looking at what I see from others, I don't think that will do. Thanks Learn together 01:12, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

I've just been copypasting from my User contributions list; the judges will have to decide whether I've categorised them correctly :) File:User Fox.png Fox (talk|contribs) 15:19, 14 July 2007 (EDT)


Where are the girls????????? --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 23:54, 12 July 2007 (EDT)

Governors and Lt. Governors

I'm currently working on a table of the current Governors and Lt. Governors for each state at User:Crocoite/Sandbox. I'm still gathering the data to put in the table. Meanwhile I would like your input on how the table looks and any suggestions to make it better. I'm a novice at wikitables and you can edit my sandbox to show me other solutions. Once I get the table in place, I'm going to make pages for each of the governors and Lt Governors including photos. This project should generate a bunch of quality points for our team. --Crocoite 11:56, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

I left individual notes on each of your talk pages to ensure you looked at this section. If I don't hear back from you, I will just continue my current plan for this section. --Crocoite 12:57, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

As usual you have done an excellent job. ;-) Learn together 23:40, 14 July 2007 (EDT)

Good work! --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 14:01, 15 July 2007 (EDT)

We all have done an excellent fantastic WORK. CONGRATULATIONS... --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 00:55, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

Thank you, and thanks to all of my teammates, but now it will take me forever to put my work in a form where the judges can look at it. ;-0 Learn together 01:13, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

Good idea. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 08:22, 17 July 2007 (EDT)