Talk:Comsymp

Yesterday you were arguing Dixiecrats didn't exist after they disbanded, today you argue neocons existed before they were created. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:18, May 16, 2023 (EDT)

I should've clarified better yesterday: the States' Rights Democratic Party on the national level didn't exist past 1948. To my admission, I forgot that Dixiecrats did exist at the state level, with David C. Treen being a member in Louisiana briefly. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 16:21, May 16, 2023 (EDT)

Well fine. But Strom Thurmond was not, and none of them served in the US Congress. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:28, May 16, 2023 (EDT)

As to neocons, you'd probably have a difficult time arguing they existed in the 1960s, the name may have been formulated in the 1970s, wasn't used until the late 1980s and early 1990s, and did not exist at the time of Welch in the 1950s. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:31, May 16, 2023 (EDT)

Irving Kristol invented the term to separate himself from the violent "New Left" that took over liberalism in the late 1960s. But the "neocons" all pretty much remained Trotskyites. And Bill Buckley was hardly a Trotskyite. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:34, May 16, 2023 (EDT)

Actually, that's incorrect. To say that "none of them [Dixiecrats] served in the US Congress" runs contrary to the historical reality that there were indeed several Southern Democrats in Congress who joined and publicly supported the SRP, such as Sens. Eastland and Stennis, as well as Reps. Rankin and Hébert. Also, while Treen wasn't a congressman in 1960 as a member of the Louisiana Dixiecrats, he was elected to Congress 12 years later. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 16:38, May 16, 2023 (EDT)

Oh, you mean Biden's buddies? That would be interesting to document. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:48, May 16, 2023 (EDT)

Eastland and Stennis? Yes. Rankin and Hébert? I'm not familiar with Biden having any connection to the latter two. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 16:54, May 16, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) I think you're getting off on the wrong track here.

In the immediate post-war period, a younger generation who had risked their lives to fight the war (such as Richard Nixon & John Kennedy) quickly came to the realization that they had been lied to during the war by Allied propaganda - that they had risked their lives for self determination of peoples, free elections, etc. When those things did not occur, a hardline reaction set in, led by Joe McCarthy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:57, May 16, 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, you've told me about this before. Anyways, thanks for reminding me about Tailgunner Joe; I can probably squeeze in some information about McCarthyism into this page as well. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 16:59, May 16, 2023 (EDT)

Self determination is still a huge issue. While the German's voted for Hitler, no Russian ever voted for communism. And it is Western fascists, led by the United States, that still want to deny the Russian people of Lugansk, Donetsk, and Crimea their right of self-determination, and make them slaves of the Western oligarchs of the World Economic Forum. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:09, May 16, 2023 (EDT)

So the Russians only now are coming to realize the lies of Western propagandists that Nixon and Kennedy discovered when they were first elected to Congress, 2 years ahead of McCarthy. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:11, May 16, 2023 (EDT)

if you allow ideology and labels to guide your thinking, you end up sounding like Joe Biden: "White supremacy is the greatest terror threat to national security." RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 17:15, May 16, 2023 (EDT)

For the record

In the interests of full disclosure, I created Wikipedia's article on the Moynihan Secrecy Commission in July 2005, and not without some challenges, I might add. I note it here cause it appears the Moynihan Commission Report is pivotal to this article. I read the Report backward and forward several times. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 20:12, July 9, 2023 (EDT)