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::No it wasn't "marked by rigid instant punishment"; man found the loophole in God's law to exempt undertakers. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:27, July 15, 2024 (EDT)
 
::No it wasn't "marked by rigid instant punishment"; man found the loophole in God's law to exempt undertakers. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:27, July 15, 2024 (EDT)
 
:::Well, the point here is that the ''intended'' guidelines under the Mosaic Covenant was a speedy enforcement and judgment against lawbreakers. The man who gathered sticks on the Sabbath day was promptly stoned. (Num. 15:32–36) —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Monday, 15:29, July 15, 2024 (EDT)
 
:::Well, the point here is that the ''intended'' guidelines under the Mosaic Covenant was a speedy enforcement and judgment against lawbreakers. The man who gathered sticks on the Sabbath day was promptly stoned. (Num. 15:32–36) —[[User:LT|<code><span style="background:#FF8181">'''LT'''</span></code>]] '''''[[User talk:LT|<sup>Rev. 22:13</sup>]]''''' Monday, 15:29, July 15, 2024 (EDT)
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::::So who screwed up? God, when he failed to write the exemption into the decalogue for undertakers? or man, when he went off on his own establishing precedents for exemption? [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|''The Truth. Just Putin It Out There'']]</sup> 15:31, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

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Yes

...man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God.

—Luke 4:4

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

—Matthew 5:18

If nothing from the law (Torah) will pass away until heaven and earth pass away, which is at the yet-to-come Second Coming (II Pet. 3:10), this means that the entire Torah still remains as binding on humanity. So how can the mainstream of Christianity say that the feast days are abrogated? —LT Rev. 22:13 Monday, 14:14, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

No

One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

—Rom 14:8

The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath.

—Mark 2:27

RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 14:21, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

There is no implied context in Romans 14 that the subject matter has any relevance to the Sabbath day(s); also, you left out the part in Mark 2 where Jesus says, "the Son of man is Lord of the Sabbath." IOWs... the Lord's day, literally speaking. Same thing mentioned in Isaiah 58.
Also, as a polite FYI, this debate is specifically about the Jewish feast days; Mark 2 was about the weekly seventh-day Sabbath. —LT Rev. 22:13 Monday, 14:25, July 15, 2024 (EDT)
Well, there are two types of Jewish feast days, God-given like Passover, and man-made like Purim (I'm quietly suggesting your rhetoric is overly broad). RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 14:57, July 15, 2024 (EDT)
Okay then, to clarify, I'm referring to the seven(?) annual feasts mentioned in Leviticus 23. —LT Rev. 22:13 Monday, 15:00, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

Digression on law

The original commandment was capital punishment for failure to keep the Sabbath. One problem was immediately apparent: According to the Book of Numbers, the estimated population of Israel in the wilderness, and the strangers that sojourned with them, was approx. 3.5 million, including women, children, and old folks. This means on any given Sabbath there were people who died within the camp. Then we have the commandment, ye shall come at no unclean thing. So a group of people had to be organized who were exempt from God's command to keep the Sabbath, and whose job was to remove corpses. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 15:09, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

More digression: Moses father-in-law Jethro suggested to Moses to organize people in groups of 50, groups of 10 with captains of 50, captains of 10, etc. This was because 3.5 million people were too much for Moses to judge. Can you imagine? It was like User:Conservative posting on Andy talk every ten minutes, "Rob's being mean to me". And Jethro's suggestion, as the scripture says, was Jethro's suggestion for the administration of law, and not necessarily God ordained. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 15:16, July 15, 2024 (EDT)

Well yes, that's why Jesus came to free us from the curse of the law. (Gal. 3:13) This is what makes the New Covenant different from the Old—the old "typical" system was marked by rigid instant punishment, while the antitypical New Covenant allows a much more forgiving "leeway" of time for individuals to make up their mind on whether to repent or not. —LT Rev. 22:13 Monday, 15:22, July 15, 2024 (EDT)
No it wasn't "marked by rigid instant punishment"; man found the loophole in God's law to exempt undertakers. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 15:27, July 15, 2024 (EDT)
Well, the point here is that the intended guidelines under the Mosaic Covenant was a speedy enforcement and judgment against lawbreakers. The man who gathered sticks on the Sabbath day was promptly stoned. (Num. 15:32–36) —LT Rev. 22:13 Monday, 15:29, July 15, 2024 (EDT)
So who screwed up? God, when he failed to write the exemption into the decalogue for undertakers? or man, when he went off on his own establishing precedents for exemption? RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 15:31, July 15, 2024 (EDT)