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Hello, DerekE, and welcome to Conservapedia!

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JacobB 18:35, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

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Jim Cramer

Great work on Jim Cramer! You seem to really know your stuff and I'm glad to have you on board. Side note: we ask all editors have their names formatted as first name, last initial, or some variant of that. You can have your name changed by posting what it should be changed to on User talk:Aschlafly. JacobB 18:35, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

Wow, it's not just Jim Cramer, it's a number of articles you're doing fantastic work on! JacobB 18:36, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

Conservapedia rocks! I have been slowly sifting through several articles and making appropriate edits to each of them, and I'll continue to do so for many other articles to come. This site is awesome and I'm definitely glad to help out in any way that I can. As for my name change, I'll be sure and get that done ASAP. I've got a few more minor adjustments to make on the Jim Cramer page, but once I'm done there I'll get to changing my own name. Thanks for the help! Tycoon24 18:55, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

Request a change to your real first name if you want to continue editing here, and don't copy from Wikipedia.--Andy Schlafly 18:57, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

I didn't realize you were copying from Wikipedia. Unless you yourself wrote it, that isn't allowed here. JacobB 19:09, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

The funny thing is, the section that I assume was being charged as "copied," it is in fact my work, but most or all of which got reverted or deleted in Wikipedia long ago. I had it saved in a text file and simply updated a few items to assure it's quality. In either case, I just made some more changes to the section that I assume was referred to as the copied section. I'm still working on it though, so I'll go back and check wikipedia to make sure it's not the same. On a similar note, I'm assuming quotes and what-not are not considered as "copied" if the relevant citation is given. I don't think Wikipedia owns the quotes from individuals on their site, it's only a reference tool. Tycoon24 19:46, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

We don't prevent copying from Wikipedia for legal reasons, we do it to prevent the bias that permeates Wikipedia from entering our articles. What username did you use on Wikipedia? JacobB 21:07, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

Block

That makes sense, and I promise that I'm here with good inentions. I'm a bit confused and taken back by my account getting blocked though, especially after I tried to explain that the edits are my own work. You even went as far to revert my changes on the Tax Day Tea Party article? Take a look at wikipedia's article on it. Nothing I added is copying Wikipedia. :-( ...that's what sucks the most about my getting blocked. I guess at this point I have to wonder what constitutes "copying?" Innevitably, some information may discuss very similar facts here as they do on wikipedia, especially when using quotes or sources that are the same, but as long as I'm not copy/pasting anything I can't imagine how my edits are considered to be copying Wikipedia. Besides, wikipedia is bias! I'm being very careful about my edits and have put a lot of time into them. So this is a bit frustrating, to say the least. Sigh. :-( Tycoon24 21:44, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

As you can see from the block log, you were blocked for a total of 1 minute before I undid it.

For the record, your additions to the tea part article, starting under "History - Founding", began "On January 27, radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh criticized the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, commenting, "This 'porkulus' bill...". Compare this to content from Wikipedia, second paragraph in this article, which says, "On January 27, 2009 radio talk-show host Rush Limbaugh criticized the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act of 2009, commenting, "This 'porkulus' bill...".

There's nothing wrong with taking content from Wikipedia so long as you wrote it yourself, and to show this, it would be great if you could post here the screen name you use to edit Wikipedia. JacobB 21:50, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

I did notice that my username was only blocked for 1 minute, but my Internet IP location is still blocked. I'm using my iPhone right now. :-)

My apologies for not mentioning this earlier, my Wikipedia Username is the same: Tycoon24

As for using Wikipedia to help, I've only used my work and previous edits as a helping guide for edits made on Conservapedia. I used to use wikipedia a lot in the past but became way too frustrated with the site and it's clear bias. Tycoon24 22:33, 10 October 2009 (EDT)

Tycoon24, six months ago I would have said "fine", please proceed as you say. But the reality is that we don't want to be like Wikipedia, and now we're way past the point you describe. We use real first or last names here for first-time editors and we don't want material from Wikipedia at this stage, even if you wrote most of it, because if Wikipedia has allowed it to be posted then it probably has a liberal bias to it.

So please ask to change your name to something real and please contribute without bias here. Thanks and Godspeed.--Andy Schlafly 00:28, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

All of your concerns make complete sense, I totally understand the need to keep as much Wikipedia out of this site as possible, especially since most of everything on Wikipedia is bias. I will note, with respect to my edits on this site thus far, the citations and/or information used was for the most part all my work; however, awhile ago when I added it to wikipedia it would always get deleted or reverted for what I assume was due to it's use of factual, unbias tone as well conservative leaning sources. So I saved my work in txt files and ultimately stopped using wikipedia for the previously mentioned reasons. But as an avid tcotreport.com reader and conservative, after I noticed the addition of conservapedia.com I got all excited about the prospect of being able to edit the site using the sources and previous work that I spent so much time researching in the past. So there's a chance I got a bit carried away here, for that I apologize. I understand this is not my personal website and must obey by it's rules.

So, with that being said, later today when my IP address block expires I will be sure and get my name changed. May I ask what the easiest way to do this is?

As for using previous wikipedia work for future edits here, I'll refrain from that as much as possible from now on. To be honest, since it's been awhile since using the wiki-style platform, it did help a little for me to get back into the groove for how this works by going over what I did when editing wikipedia awhile ago. All I can ask for is a little patience until I get a better feel for how the tone, content, and audience read/write in conservapedia. I'll get the hang of it. :-) Thanks for the advice and I hope to be able to help out more appropriately in the future with you all! Tycoon24 15:48, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

Name Change

Tycoon24, we welcome your contributions and I have may have overstated our position. If you wrote something, then you can post it here, regardless of where else it may be posted. As to a name change, simply post your requested new name (a real first or last name, or first name and last initial), and I'll make the change. Thanks and Godspeed.--Andy Schlafly 16:09, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

Cool! New name request: DerekE Tycoon24 11:18, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Done as requested!--Andy Schlafly 11:23, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Awesome! Thank you! DerekE 13:01, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Welcome banner

I moved it to New Welcome Banner proposal, with the reason posted on the main talk page. I think it's a good idea. Karajou 00:57, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

Perfect! Good move. Thanks for the heads up. DerekE 01:00, 29 October 2009 (EDT)

DerekE saboteur

DerekE suddenly made a massive sabotage of a major article Obama Administration, for which he was blocked immediately. This is far more than vandalism--it took a lot of work, and throws into disgrace all his previous work here. RJJensen 20:50, 3 November 2009 (EST)