Difference between revisions of "Talk:Karen Dawisha"

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Wow. How does an academic get a contract with Simon & Schuster? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:49, July 13, 2023 (EDT)

I think what we have here is another example of not understanding information flows. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:54, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

How a no-name academic, graduate of the LSE with a limited publishing history, first time out of the gate gets a book deal from one of the biggest publishing houses on the planet after Vladimir Putin kicks out Western globalists and oligarchs, scavengers, and looters of the USSR corpse should open any thinking person's mind. But no. What we have here is more "Seig Heiling" to globalism and Western neo-fascism. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 13:57, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

So now you're barking up the wrong tree with 3,000+ bytes of new information; what, pray tell, does it say, and where pray tell did you get it from? Are you just trying to spam your own entry with more misinformation as you usually do when this pretentiousness is exposed? (I haven't bothered looking at it yet, as I know for a fact Vladimir Putin is not your main target of criticism). RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:05, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

Actually, she authored, co-authored or edited over a dozen books with leading academic publishers. I have no comment on the rest of your commentary given that it was based on a errant premise. Conservative (talk) 15:12, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

Yah. None of it is from a mainstream publisher with widespread distribution (duh, you should understand the difference between "mainstream" and "widespread" as contrasted with 'limited", "scholarly", or "technical" publications before you step into more doo-doo.

So after years and years of "scholalry" and "technical" work, suddenly the out of the blue the globalists a mainstream publisher decides to pay her off with fat book contract. Nice. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:17, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

And is any of it related to her prior work? Nah. it's a hit piece on Vladimir Putin cause he sent the globalist scavengers home to London licking their wounds. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:17, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

Why I have to waste my time trying to educate you on the facts of life on this planet on these talk pages when, I try on the phone and you tell me I'm full of crap all the time, I have no idea. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:20, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, you wrote: "None of it is from a mainstream publisher with widespread distribution".

She also published with Routledge and Cambridge University Press. These are not leading academic publishers? You are very mistaken. Cambridge University is like the Yale University of the UK. The Routledge Encyclopedia of Philosophy is one of the most prominent encyclopedias of philosophy. Conservative (talk) 15:23, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

Yep. I know all about Routledge and Taylor-Francis, too. i used them quite a bit in my Venona series.

As is, it looks like you just spamming your own page with globalist garbage. As I said, more "Seig Heiling" to globalism and Neo-fascism. Only it's all cut n paste. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:25, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

You should listen when other people talk - it can save you looking like a useful idiot for globalism and carrying out these obsessive vendettas against you imaginary enemies. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:27, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, you wrote: "Why I have to waste my time trying to educate you on the facts of life on this planet on these talk pages".

As I demonstrated above, your "facts" are not facts. And I am not looking for you to be my educator. Why would I want such a thing? The basics of your complaints above were easily shown to be wrong. For example, she didn't merely publish one book (she published multiple books), she has published with major publishers, etc. Conservative (talk) 15:31, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

As I've demonstrated, the object of your trolling is not Vladimir Putin; the object is me. You've never read her book. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:38, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Let's take Yevgeny Prigozhin, for example; when the USSR dumped communism and the Russian Federation adopted capitalism, the food contract for the Russian military was awarded to a Russian national (or citizen), and not a globalist institution based in London. So the globalists got pee-d off, hired a supposed "Russian expert" to write a hit piece on Putin in the hopes of driving him out so they could feed at the trough. Not much else, and definitely not rocket science to figure out, either. 15:38, July 14, 2023 (EDT)~~

RobS, you wrote: "As I've demonstrated, the object of your trolling is not Vladimir Putin; the object is me."

It's not trolling and you certainly haven't proved it is. And not everything revolves around you. I believe that there are good reasons to believe that Vladimir Putin (who is an influential person in the world) is a corrupt kleptocrat and that is why I created the article. If you disagree with me, then create the article Essay: Why Vladimir Putin is not a corrupt kleptocrat and make your best case. But I am not going to get involved in a contentious argument with you given that you are not even getting the basic facts right in the talk page of this article. Conservative (talk) 15:49, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

Duh, one more time, Routledge and Cambridge are not mainstream book publishers. She has no publishing history of writing biography, until she was hired by globalists to do an uncorroborated hit piece. Any idiot (except possibly you) can see that. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:53, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

Doing an Essay on Putin won't be necessary; that'll all get covered when I get around to writing the history of the Russian Federation in the 1990s. For now, we got the Bill Browder entry. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 15:59, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

Excerpted:

"In a review of New York Times reporter Anne Williamson's book, Contagion: The Betrayal of Liberty -- Russia and the United States in the 1990s, Paul Likoudis writes: "According to the socialist theoreticians at Harvard, Russia needed to be brought into the New World Order in a hurry; and what better way to do it than [Jeffrey] Sachs' "shock therapy" -- a plan that empowered the degenerate, third-generation descendants of the original Bolsheviks by assigning them the deeds of Russia's mightiest state-owned industries -- including the giant gas, oil, electrical, and telecommunications industries, the world's largest paper, iron, and steel factories, the world's richest gold, silver, diamond, and platinum mines, automobile and airplane factories, etc. -- who, in turn, sold some of their shares of the properties to Westerners for a song, and pocketed the cash, while retaining control of the companies.

"These third-generation Bolsheviks -- led by former Pravda hack Yegor Gaidar, grandson of a Bolshevik who achieved prominence as the teenage mass murderer of White Army officers, now heads the Moscow-based Institute for Economies in Transition -- became instant millionaires (or billionaires) and left the Russian workers virtual slaves of them and their new foreign investors."
Citation:HOW CLINTON AND COMPANY AND THE BANKERS PLUNDERED RUSSIA IN THE '90s, Paul Likoudis, January 2, 2016.

• Note: the Jeffrey Sachs is the same guy I had to introduce you to just a month or so ago on Main Page talk. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 01:54, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

Thumbnail sketch of Jeffrey Sachs: Sachs is the guy who advised Yeltsin and Kuchma to use "shock therapy" to transition from communism to capitalism in the 1990s, and the Russian and Ukrainian people suffered immensely as foreigners, like Bill Browder, looted the country. Putin put a stop to it. Sachs today deeply regrets the advice he gave then. But then again, you refuse to listen, so what does it matter? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 02:13, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

Give me your opinion on that: What do you think of an American citizen billionaire, who gives up his US citizenship cause he doesn't want to pay taxes, and returns to America to get (or pay off) John McCain and Barack Obama to sign off on a Russia sanctions bill that destroys US-Russia relations we worked so hard to restore throughout and after the Cold War? Since when does the US Senate and President dance to the tune of foreigners (who renounced American citizenship)? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:04, July 14, 2023 (EDT)

These are exactly the scum who paid Dawisha to write that hit piece on Putin cause Putin put a stop to Western globalists plundering the corpse of the Soviet Union. They were pee'd off cause contracts were awarded to people like Prigozhin, and not them. And cause they were in control of Western academia, think tanks, publishing houses, and media, they got their revenge through slander.

But back to Browder. What do you think of an American citizen - one of Putin's biggest slanderers - who renounced his American citizenship cause he didn't want to pay taxes, but has enough money to bribe Senators and Presidents (by donating to their "foundations") to destroy relations between your country and Russia? This is who you are in bed with peddling character assassins like Dawisha.

I constantly try to warn you before you make foolish mistakes like this, and you tell me to go to hell. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:06, July 14, 2023 (EDT

RobS, wrote: "Duh, one more time, Routledge and Cambridge are not mainstream book publishers."

"Cambridge University Press is the university press of the University of Cambridge. Granted letters patent by King Henry VIII in 1534, it is the oldest university press in the world. It is also the King's Printer.

Cambridge University Press is a department of the University of Cambridge and is both an academic and educational publisher. It became part of Cambridge University Press & Assessment, following a merger with Cambridge Assessment in 2021. With a global sales presence, publishing hubs, and offices in more than 40 countries, it publishes over 50,000 titles by authors from over 100 countries.[3] Its publishing includes more than 380 academic journals, monographs, reference works, school and university textbooks, and English language teaching and learning publications. It also publishes Bibles, runs a bookshop in Cambridge, sells through Amazon, and has a conference venues business in Cambridge at the Pitt Building and the Sir Geoffrey Cass Sports and Social Centre.

Being part of the University of Cambridge gives Cambridge University Press a non-profit status. It transfers a minimum of 30% of any annual surplus back to the University of Cambridge."[1]

Also:

"Routledge (/ˈraʊtlɪdʒ/ ROWT-lij)[2] is a British multinational publisher. It was founded in 1836 by George Routledge, and specialises in providing academic books, journals and online resources in the fields of the humanities, behavioural science, education, law, and social science. The company publishes approximately 1,800 journals and 5,000 new books each year and their backlist encompasses over 140,000 titles. Routledge is claimed to be the largest global academic publisher within humanities and social sciences.

In 1998, Routledge became a subdivision and imprint of its former rival, Taylor & Francis Group (T&F), as a result of a £90-million acquisition deal from Cinven, a venture capital group which had purchased it two years previously for £25 million. Following the merger of Informa and T&F in 2004, Routledge became a publishing unit and major imprint within the Informa "academic publishing" division.[7] Routledge is headquartered in the main T&F office in Milton Park, Abingdon, Oxfordshire and also operates from T&F offices globally including in Philadelphia, Melbourne, New Delhi, Singapore, and Beijing."[2]

Now you know why I don't want to have interactions with you. Your logical fallacies like argument by assertion, ad hominem fallacy (personal attack), genetic fallacy, whataboutism, etc makes reasonable dialogue impossible. Conservative (talk) 15:05, July 15, 2023 (EDT)

So you don't understand the difference between mainstream popular culture and academia. What else is new? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 01:18, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

And note: You refuse to give an opinion about an American billionaire who renounces his citizenship to avoid paying US taxes, and takes his money to bribe John McCain & Barack Obama to pass the Magnitsky Act, destroying US-Russian relations that took more than 50 years to repair, and becomes Putin's biggest critic, funding academics-for-hire like Dawisha to abandon scholarly research to write tabloid novels for Simon & Schuster cause he claims Putin owes him $400 million (while Putin claims he owes the Russian Federation $400 million in taxes. Never mind the fact that the only money he ever made in his whole life came from Russia, and not his native United States). Anything for a buck. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 01:35, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

Next you're going to tell me Putin could get a fair trial in a defamation suit in the UK or US if he brought one against his slanderers. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 01:40, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, you originally wrote: "None of it is from a mainstream publisher with widespread distribution".

RobS, you subsequently wrote: "So you don't understand the difference between mainstream popular culture and academia."

RobS, the two academic publishers are multi-million dollar companies with tens of thousands of publications. And you subsequently adding the words "popular culture" was a way to deny responsibility for making a mistake. You should just admit that you made a mistake and move on.

Furthermore, you falsely claimed above "How a no-name academic, graduate of the LSE with a limited publishing history, first time out of the gate gets a book deal from one of the biggest publishing houses on the planet after Vladimir Putin kicks out Western globalists and oligarchs, scavengers, and looters of the USSR corpse should open any thinking person's mind." So you definitely made a mistake because she wrote/co-wrote/edited about 10 books before her book on Putin. And being an academic, she may have written papers and journal articles as well. Again, if you make a mistake, just admit it and move on.

As far as the billionaire you allude to above and the topics of McCain/Obama, it is off-topic for the Karen Dawisha article. You are just being contentious and spoiling for a fight. Talk pages for articles are meant to improve articles and should not be off-topic.

As far as your unsupported contention that Karen Dawisha belongs to the genre of "academics-for-hire", you need to support your contentions. "Affirmati Non Neganti Incumbit Probatio" is a Latin maxim that means “the burden of proof is upon him who affirms - not on him who denies." So if you assert a claim, you need to support it because he who asserts must prove. This is not a good faith effort to improve the article and you are being argumentative for the sake of being argumentive. Stop wasting my time.

And if you have a desire to show that Vladimir Putin is not a corrupt authoritarian, again create the page Essay: Vladimir Putin is not a corrupt authoritarian.

And if you have a complaint about Western liberal laws, create the essay: Essay: Western liberal laws are unfair. In other words, stay on topic. And if you are very concerned with Putin's reputation and don't believe he is being treated fairly, expand the Vladimir Putin article so it is an in-depth article. Wikipedia's Vladimir Putin article is 42,485 words long. Conservapedia's Vladimir Putin article is 15,474 words long. Furthermore, Wikipedia has a lot of articles related to Vladimir Putin. Since Conservapedia doesn't have a category tag for "Vladimir Putin", I am guessing it has far fewer articles on Putin. Feel free to create more articles on Putin. In short, please do something constructive.

With the above being said, I do have a few off-wiki projects that I am working on so I will not be very active for a while. And when I return, I am not going to waste my time wrangling with a contentious editor with off-topic talk page complaints who makes unsupported assertions and who refuses to graciously admit mistakes when he makes them. Conservative (talk) 08:03, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

Simon & Schuster is not a scholarly or academic publisher. It is a mainstream publisher. They'd publish your crap if anyone wanted to pay to read it. No scholarly publisher would touch your ill-researched stuff with a ten-foot pole. She is not a biographer, she's a researcher on Eurasian economic policy. She was paid to do an uncorroborated tabloid hit piece. That makes her, in polite language, a prostitute. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 10:03, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

Given the brevity of your reply (I thought your reply might drone on and on with off-topic material), I will give a quick reply as it will only take a few minutes to do so.

You wrote regarding Simon and Schuster: "They'd publish your crap if anyone wanted to pay to read it." The article HOW TO GET YOUR BOOK PUBLISHED BY SIMON AND SCHUSTER indicates "Simon and Schuster only publish a small percentage of the manuscripts they receive, so it’s important that yours is as strong as possible." Apparently, the very low bar of "if anyone wanted to pay to read it" is not their standard. In short, they are not a self-publishing house that doesn't care if merely one or more readers read the book.

And you don't know how Karen Dawisha was paid in relation to her book because you aren't her literary agent (if she has one) nor do you work for Simon & Schuster. Again, he who asserts must prove. And as far as I am aware, you don't even work for an industry ancillary to the book publishing business like myself. I book best-selling authors, academic authors or other authors for a leading podcast that is among the top 1/2 percent of podcasts according to a leading podcast search engine (Although I took an extended vacation, I am about to continue working for that podcast). I also have been paid as a book marketing consultant and have books in my personal library on book marketing.

And as far as the book being "an uncorroborated tabloid hit piece", again he who asserts must prove. You didn't do that. Feel free to actually read her book and write a review via an essay. You can title your essay: Essay: The book ''Putin's Kleptocracy: Who Owns Russia?'' is a uncorroborated tabloid hit piece. I know I will not read your essay given your penchant to: make unsupported assertions, not admit errors when you make them and engage in logical fallacies. Conservative (talk) 11:14, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

uh duh, Simon & Schuster is a for profit publishing house. They're not going to take on a loser.

Why didn't Routledge, a non-profit scholarly publishing house, or Cambridge, publish Dawisha's hit piece? Number 1, it doesn't meet their "scholarly" standards. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:17, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

Bottomline: Simon & Schuster approached Dawisha, Dawisha did not approach Simon & Schuster.

One would think, for all the reading you do, that you'd at least understand some of the basics about the publishing business. I guess not. Don't fret. You are not alone. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 11:20, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, you wrote: "Why didn't Routledge, a non-profit scholarly publishing house, or Cambridge, publish Dawisha's hit piece? Number 1, it doesn't meet their "scholarly" standards."

Again, he who asserts must prove. And you didn't prove that Dawisha's book is a hit piece or that it doesn't meet Cambridge Academic Press' academic standards. Authors and literary agents pick publishers based on a number of factors such as the nature of the book, its potential audience, payment structure, etc. Conservative (talk) 11:25, July 22, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, you wrote: "Simon & Schuster approached Dawisha, Dawisha did not approach Simon & Schuster."

Please provide evidence that Simon & Schuster approached Dawisha and not vice versa. This is another unsubstantiated allegation of yours. Please do something constructive. You are wasting my time. Conservative (talk) 11:27, July 22, 2023 (EDT)