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→Number of the Great Beast
:There is no reference to a "Great Beast" anywhere in the passage - that is something you are reading into the passage that is not there. This beast with the mark of the beast is very common. (By passage I mean the whole chapter. There is no reference to a "Great Beast" anywhere in the chapter.) Go back to verse 18: ''Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man''. Anyone who rejects God is a beast. Rejecting God is a choice. Accepting Christ is a choice. Accepting Christ makes you a son of God. Rejecting God makes you a beast. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 05:33, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
:There is no reference to a "Great Beast" anywhere in the passage - that is something you are reading into the passage that is not there. This beast with the mark of the beast is very common. (By passage I mean the whole chapter. There is no reference to a "Great Beast" anywhere in the chapter.) Go back to verse 18: ''Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man''. Anyone who rejects God is a beast. Rejecting God is a choice. Accepting Christ is a choice. Accepting Christ makes you a son of God. Rejecting God makes you a beast. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 05:33, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
:Now, don't get carried away with this fundamental doctrine, as Islam and even some Christians in times past did - considering those who refuse to accept Allah or refuse to submit to baptism are subhuman and worthy of being killed. That is not acceptable anywhere in God's word. Genesis 9:6: ''Whosoever sheds man's blood by man shall his blood be shed''. This passage makes clear ''he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword,'' a doctrine that pre-dates even Mosaic law. While beasts might murder each other, it is not right for a son of God to kill a beast. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 05:53, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
:Now, don't get carried away with this fundamental doctrine, as Islam and even some Christians in times past did - considering those who refuse to accept Allah or refuse to submit to baptism are subhuman and worthy of being killed. That is not acceptable anywhere in God's word. Genesis 9:6: ''Whosoever sheds man's blood by man shall his blood be shed''. This passage makes clear ''he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword,'' a doctrine that pre-dates even Mosaic law. While beasts might murder each other, it is not right for a son of God to kill a beast. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 05:53, 22 April 2020 (EDT)
::This phrase from mainspace, ''a figure called the Antichrist (or the Beast) will rise'' obviously is in error. Elsewhere the same author John tells us that anti-Christ is a spirit, not a fleshly beast, as well as anti-Christ is already here, and most specifically, "whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ, this is the spirit of Anti-Christ". Antichrist is not one specific individual or entity. Antichrists are everywhere. They may be members of your own family. Again, something is being read into the text that is not there. [[User:RobSmith|RobS]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Live Free or Die]]</sup> 07:33, 22 April 2020 (EDT)