Talk:Desecularization
Oh, c'mon. Can we at least agree upon the fact that secularism (when implemented properly) is a good thing. This is not something to celebrate. Please go back to the 7th century where you belong.
- Secularism is never (or rarely) implemented neutrally. For example, invariably evolutionism, which is an atheistic creation myth, is pushed in societies that espouse secularism (see: Evolution as a secular origins myth). Often there are various secular leftist suppressions of religion in the public square (for example, high school seniors being forbidden to express their Christian faith in their valedictorian speeches; employess being told they cannot wear crosses; the banning of head scarves, etc.).
- Regardless, due to demographics (fertility rates) and other factors, the current global trends point to a more religious/conservative/right-wing age for the foreseeable future (see: A religious, conservative age is rising and its only beginning). In addition, religious fundamentalism is expected to grow due to their higher fertility rates (see also: Atheism and fertility rates). Wikignome72 (talk) 09:28, 17 November 2017 (EST)
Desecularization of politics in heavily Islamic countries isn't a good thing. In the greater Middle East region (and especially central asia), frankly, it's in the best interests of minority religious groups in those countries (Christians, Atheists, Zoroastrians, etc) that the government remain secular instead of caving to populist Islamic movements like Whabbism, Hizb ut-Tahir, and Akramiya[1]. Trends show increased Islamist radicalization in Southern Kyrgyzstan as the population desecularizes. Many ISIS fighters are from Uzbekistan & Kyrgyzstan. This is not a good thing.[2]--IluvAviation (talk) 21:39, 9 August 2017 (EDT)
- Here is my take on it: Sharia Law is obviously terrible, but it is also terrible when countries make laws, like France, which ban religious people from expressing their religion/faith in public. If by "secularization" people mean the state secularism of France, count me out. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:45, 9 August 2017 (EDT)
- By government remain secular, I mean Islam should not be declared the official state religion; people should still be allowed to pray in public and such. The persecution of Jehovahs witnesses in central asia is wrong, but declaring Islam the official state religion won't make anything better. Remember Andijon in 2005? That almost happened in Uzbekistan. The Boston bombers were from Kyrgyzstan, and so was the St. Petersburg metro bomber. Akrom Yoâldoshev's political ideology of Islamic Socialism spread like wildfire throughout the Fergana Valley (a major source of Islamic extremism). The terrorist pamphlet Yimonga Yul openly advocated for local Islamic governance of all politics. The rise of populist political Islamism is not a thing to be celebrated.--IluvAviation (talk) 21:07, 10 August 2017 (EDT)
Berger on desecularization
Good source as far as Peter Berger on desecularization: Peter Berger and the Rise and Fall of the Theory of Secularization by Dylan Reaves, Denison University, 2012 Conservative (talk) 12:52, 1 March 2019 (EST)
Fergusen
Atheist Niall Ferguson is cited as some sort of expert on the declining population of atheist-controlled China; perhaps some more context is in order. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 00:53, September 16, 2022 (EDT)
- Why? The base rate is 50% based on United Nations statistics which the Harvard University historian Ferguson cites. And the UN is fairly China-friendly. Ferguson indicates that China's population is expected to drop between 50-75%. All the sources I have come across say that China is expected to have a big drop in its population. Conservative (talk) 01:09, September 16, 2022 (EDT)
- That's the missing context then that should be added. To attribute all that, to an obviously self-deceived atheist, shoots yourself in the foot. RobSIch bin ein breakfast taco 01:30, September 16, 2022 (EDT)