Talk:Bestiality and Australia

In 2013, an Australian television station put up a bestiality billboard.

First: the "station" in question was Murdoch's Foxtel - not exactly thought of here as dinky di Australian.

Second: the show itself was British.

Third: the billboard was removed rather post haste because of immediate ground roots Australian Christian activism.

The above does not encourage the view that 24-odd million Australians are into whatever it is that you think we are into. Quite the opposite, I would say.

How's the Bestiality and America article going?

Cheers Cons AlanE (talk) 03:55, 12 August 2016 (EDT)

Per capita, religious nations and prominent religious leaders don't have as significant of a problem with bestiality (and embarrassing statements about bestiality) as more irreligious nations and some prominent atheists (see: Bestiality and secular Europe and Bestiality and various geographic areas and Atheism and bestiality).

Second, there is a portion of the United States which did have a notable problem and attendant publicity regarding bestiality and it is the most irreligious portion of the country (See: Washington state and bestiality).

Third, all the perfumes of Arabia can't rid the irreligious population of the stench relating to their bestiality scandals! The Conservapedia atheism and bestiality article has 52,677 page views. The Conservapedia Evolutionary belief and bestiality article has 16,126 page views. The Bestiality and Sweden article has 30,474 page views. The Bestiality and Britain article has 14,000 page views. The Bestiality and Germany article has 10,321 page views. The Conservapedia Bestiality and various geographic areas article has 4,663 page views. The Conservapedia Atheism and morality article has 66,669 page views. The Atheist population and immorality article has 11,496 page views. Combined that's over 200,000 page views.

Next, I and other editors using the User: Conservative account very rarely think of the problem of the irreligious and bestiality as the problem has now been largely solved. Some secular European countries passed anti-bestiality laws to tamp down their embarrassing bestiality problems. And now members of the fifth estate and the Conservapedia bestiality articles are ever vigilant to insure this problem does not rear its ugly head again.

Cheers Alan. Conservative (talk) 09:36, 12 August 2016 (EDT)

AlanE, I have some grave news: The problem of the irreligious engaging in bestiality may not have been largely solved!.

You find four examples of bestiality in a country of 24 million people. Where's the problem with bestiality in Australia with that? One of those examples features a multinational company advertising a British show which is immediately shut down by Australians. Where's the problem with bestiality in Australia with that?

Please mate: get off the cart on this one. Bestiality doesn't exist as a problem here to any meaningful extent. All you're doing is insulting my country - and, by extension, me - for what many believe to be gratuitous reasons.

AlanE (talk) 01:55, 13 August 2016 (EDT)

AlanE, why did Peter Singer, a man who promotes the idea that bestiality can be an acceptable behavior, win Australia's highest civic award? Is it disgraceful that he won this award? If not, why not?

Is it a bad sign that Singer was allowed to win this award? If not, why not? Combined with the fact that "20 per cent of Australians are now drinking at levels that put them at risk of lifetime harm from injury or disease"[1], I view this is a sign of societal decay. Is it unreasonable for me to take this position? If so, why? Can you support the position that Australia is not experiencing moral decay or is actually seeing an increase in morality? If so, please fully support this position. If you cannot support this position, why is this the case?

Are you committing the fallacy of exclusion? If not, why not? Conservative (talk) 09:44, 13 August 2016 (EDT)

I just added two 2016 news articles related to the issue of Australia and bestiality. Conservative (talk) 10:12, 13 August 2016 (EDT)

In addition, I added this 2015 Australian news story: "Australian woman convicted of bestiality is allowed to reapply for a card which permits her to work with disadvantaged children".[2] Conservative (talk) 10:31, 13 August 2016 (EDT)

Australians predict we'll become "less moral". Dr Bain said results also showed Australians believed society was becoming more extreme in both positive and negative directions.[3]

Bestiality is an extreme behavior. And the news story about "Australian man on bike accused of bestiality while women were walking dogs" was the most extreme news story I found in the Western World relating to bestiality due to its brazenness. The news story indicates, "Police will allege he exposed himself to both and assaulted one of their dogs. The pair fled as the man allegedly began to turn and attack another animal."[4] The News Daily reported, "The man fled police, despite the police helicopter and the dog squad being deployed in the chase."[5] Conservative (talk) 11:40, 13 August 2016 (EDT)

You still have not answered my original question - which concerned the fact that Australian pressure almost immediately closed down an ad depicting a bestial, um, activity. That's all I wanted from you, mate; acknowledgement that, yes, public pressure, Australian public pressure, even Australian Christian public pressure, got rid of that billboard.

Cons, I am waiting to hear from you one iota, one skerrick, one smidgeon, of goodwill towards my country.

AlanE (talk) 00:00, 14 August 2016 (EDT)

AlanE, I don't have any animus towards your country and my interactions with Australian Christians has been very favorable (For example: I attended a church where one of the church leaders was an Australian, Philip Rayment, etc. ).

And overreach by the secular community in Australia caused the leading creationists in the world to come from Australia (Ken Ham, Carl Wieland and Creation Ministries International) which proved to be a boon to Evangelical Christianity at large.

The main reason this article was initially written is that Denmark/Germany and Australia via Peter Singer have had noticeable issues relating to bestiality.

Lastly, one of the frequent tactics of atheists/agnostics is to use strawman arguments. Your statement "The above does not encourage the view that 24-odd million Australians are into whatever it is that you think we are into." is a strawman which is why I took a hardline on this talk page. Conservative (talk) 08:50, 14 August 2016 (EDT)