User talk:Aschlafly/Archive27

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Sorry to dirty up your freshly-archived page, but...

... would you please take a look at Hedge fund? Not sure exactly what's going on with it, and you were the originator of the article. Regards, Aziraphale 12:03, 17 July 2007 (EDT) <-hedge fun!

Thanks very much. I just fixed it. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 12:12, 17 July 2007 (EDT)
Hello again. Would you please categorize the article Examples of Bias in Wikipedia? As the protecting sysop I thought you'd like to be included in any change to the article. I suggest the category "wiki" but clearly you've got the prerogative to choose another. Thanks! Aziraphale 16:40, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
Done. Thanks for the suggestion and for your superb efforts.--Aschlafly 16:44, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
Thanks, and my pleasure. Aziraphale 16:51, 18 July 2007 (EDT)


Just wondering if the judges have decided which team won, and when the results will be posted? Thanks! DeborahB. 16:33, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

  • Hi Debby! I was chatting with Geo just a while ago, and he told me it would be a day or two, FYI.  ;-) --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 18:24, 17 July 2007 (EDT)

I think Conservapedia won, but that didn't stop me from making a last day surge for my team. ;-) Learn together 02:20, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

Recent Edits

I've made several new edits since your 3 day block on me expired, including a few new articles. Let me know what you think. (And if you have the chance, elaborate a bit on why I was blocked for 3 days because I'm not 100% clear on that point.) Danke.--Porthos 09:50, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

Your recent edits seem OK, though not particularly enlightening. Hopefully you'll use this site to learn and improve.
The reason for your block was obvious, and I find it troubling that you're not "100% clear on that point." You posted mockery on my talk page, which was rude and in violation of the Differences with Wikipedia: "I ache with anticipation to know the outcome of this felonious barbarism." Your mockery made light of vandalism, acting like it isn't wrong. Guess what: vandalism is wrong and illegal.
We're here to learn as adults and to excel in subjects as students. We're doing that and welcome everyone interested in improving themselves and others. Please do yourself and others a favor by raising the quality and quantity of your edits. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 10:19, 18 July 2007 (EDT)

Gay rights template

It was actually Hoji who originally created it, believe it or not. NewYork was only editing the grammar. DanH 00:57, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

new york didn't create it. I've seen some of his wikipedia activity, and he seems quite valuable. Bohdan 01:01, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

This looks like Hoji, not that it matters... DanH 01:04, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

  • Sorry! I was looking at Bush Fan, and so shocked to see who made it! :p --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 01:08, 19 July 2007 (EDT)
What template did I make? And I don't think I made the anti-gay one, TK. But then again, I could forget. looked at the history, apparently I did... --ηοξιμαχονγθαλκ 01:18, 19 July 2007 (EDT)
Don't you all remember? Someone else changed the original gay one, and then you created a new one for the person. Bohdan 01:20, 19 July 2007 (EDT)
Oh yeah, I think I did that for Deborah or Bethany. One of them was having troubles making it. --ηοξιμαχονγθαλκ 01:20, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

I think it's just as well that it's gone, though. DanH 01:22, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

There are multiple gay rights templates found in Special:Prefixindex/Template:

--Crocoite 01:26, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

As you're already aware, I didn't create it.
NewYork1956 19:12, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

Profanity filter

Andy, during a recent discussion at Talk:Main Page, the discussion became difficult at one point because the proper term for male genitalia is on the spam blacklist. I would hope that you could remove a few proper anatomical terms from the blacklist. --ηοξιμαχονγθαλκ 14:54, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

OK, I removed it for now. I'm surprised, however, that enlightened persons could not find a more graceful way to make their arguments. I hope the discussion isn't going overboard there! (I haven't had time to get involved.)--Aschlafly 15:21, 19 July 2007 (EDT)


Dear Andy,

I wanted to post some pics to the evolution article. Can you help right now? By the way, I hope you found that FBI related post to the talk homosexuality page helpful. Conservative 15:38, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

Just go ahead and post the pics. I have to run to the post office right now.--Aschlafly 16:00, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

help with inactive blocked member

Dear Andy,

I invited a intelligent design guy to Conservapedia and he was previously inactive. Today, he tried to log on and do some work and he said he was blocked. I did a IP check on his user name and got no results for him. Here is his user discussion page: User talk:Coal39. Can you provide some assistance? Conservative 18:47, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

Conservative, simply try to block him again, and you'll find that Karajou blocked him on June 11th. It gives the time of the block also:

2:31, 11 June 2007 Karajou (Talk | contribs | block) blocked "Coal39 (contribs)" with an expiry time of infinite

Can you check with Karajou to find out why? It doesn't seem Coal39 ever contributed anything. Karajou can undo the block, or I can.
Godspeed.--Aschlafly 19:31, 19 July 2007 (EDT)

IP Block

Hello Andy,

I was recently blocked by TK, but I appealed to him and he unblocked me. Now when I try to edit it says that my IP address ( was blocked by you (block ID is #14026). TK will not remove it because you are the owner, so I'm asking you if you could please remove it (I'm currently on my neighbor's wireless, which is how I am able to post here). I think there's just some mixup somewhere, as I doubt my neighborhood has been blanket-blocked. Jazzman831 16:20, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

OK, you're unblocked. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 16:34, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
Thank you so much! Jazzman831 16:45, 20 July 2007 (EDT)


The reference changes to Wikipedia are complete. Learn together 19:03, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Thanks! Lord bless you!--Aschlafly 19:04, 20 July 2007 (EDT)


have the results been released yet? Bohdan

I was just going to ask that question :) DeborahB. 22:08, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

One of our key judges has had a very serious family matter. Thanks for your patience. I eagerly await the results as you do, but it may be a few more days yet and I'm sure you'll understand. Also, I think we gave the judges more work than they expected! In Christ, Aschlafly 22:16, 20 July 2007 (EDT)

Understand fully...hopefully his family matter will be resolved, the judging will go quickly, and the results can be posted soon! DeborahB. 22:21, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
Sorry for the delay, folks. i was expecting a smooth process, but life apparently doesn't work that way. Due to some recent stumbling blocks we have been set back a couple days. we hopefully will have the Judging done no later than July 23. I am deeply appreciative of your patience in bearing with us as we deal with some major obstacles. Geo.Complain! 23:35, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
Like someone else already posted, and I repeat here, the true (and we already know this) "winner" is Conservapedia! --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 23:42, 20 July 2007 (EDT)
Is that "July 23" still correct given this? Or is one judge going to be finishing it off by himself? Philip J. Rayment 01:06, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Hoji and Geo are carrying on, and just updatted the % checked, and the date, Philip. --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 01:39, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Template Help

I'm trying to put this template, {{NBC Nightly News Anchors}}, into the lists of templates page but for some reason the spam filter is blocking me. Any help would be appreciated! Thanks--Tash 19:01, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

  • We will look into it, Tash, ASAP. Andy is going to be tied up for a while, so don't think he is ignoring you. --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 19:05, 21 July 2007 (EDT)
Fixed. See my talk page. (And I've changed Tash's post to not show the template here, as it put Andy's talk page into Category:NBC Nightly News Anchors.) Philip J. Rayment 19:50, 21 July 2007 (EDT)


I'd like to apply for Sysop.--FellowChristian16 21:43, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Welcome to Conservapedia and I look forward to seeing your edits. Understandably, we like to get to know users a little better before we consider them for sysop status. DanH 21:45, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

OK--FellowChristian16 21:46, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

  • Promotion here is based upon merit. Check out the Sysop nominations, and you will see. If we can do anything to help you get your legs, just let us know! --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 21:54, 21 July 2007 (EDT)

Where is Sysop nominations?--FellowChristian16 18:10, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Page Backgrond Color and Math

I'm new here, and although I'm a little hesitant to attempt significant editing as a newbie after a few quick glances at the block log, I figured I'd give this site a try. Anyway, I apologize if this issue has been discussed before, but I've noticed that the current page background color (light blue-ish) confilcts with the background for mathematical equations (white). The result is that when equations are incorporated into a page, it looks a little awkward due to the white blocks around the equations (see, for example, here). Do you know of any way to make the colors consistent? I'd be happy to try to do it myself, but I'm relatively new to wiki software, and I'm not quite sure where to start. Thanks!--Bayes 16:56, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

First of all, welcome! I have a big interest in math and like to edit those pages also.
In answer to your question, the background color is up to each editor. Simply go to Special:Preferences, click on "skin", and choose any color that you prefer. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 17:09, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
Thank you for your suggestion! I now see the option under preferences, but I was wondering if there was some way (some sort of script, or something else) that would automatically direct the background color for the equations and the background color of the page to match whenever the math tags are used. That way, all equations could be corrected at the same time, as opposed to having to go to each page with an equation on it and correct it manually.--Bayes 17:21, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
Ah, I don't know about that. We're still learning here. If the contrast bothers you, you can change your background to match the background of the equations, I think. Over time, Lord willing, we'll learn how to do what you seek also.--Aschlafly 17:27, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
Not being into maths formulae that much, and having my skin set to Monobook, I'd never noticed that problem. But I've done a little digging, and found the following:
  • As well as changing your skin, you can change in your preferences how maths formula are rendered. However, I tried various options in IE6 and the Firefox 2.0 and had no improvement. If you use a different browser, you might like to try different options to see if you fare any better.
  • The formula code is converted into .png images with white backgrounds, so the only way to change the appearance is to change the way that the .png images are created.
  • The MediaWiki help page on this says:
The PNG images are black on white (not transparent). These colors, as well as font sizes and types, are independent of browser settings or CSS. Font sizes and types will often deviate from what HTML renders. Vertical alignment with the surrounding text can also be a problem. The css selector of the images is img.tex. sina It should be pointed out that solutions to most of these shortcomings have been proposed by Maynard Handley, but have not been implemented yet.
  • Maynard Handley's solution is linked to here. Andy, according to Maynard Handley at that link, provision of transparent backgrounds to maths formulae "works and ... is easy". You should look at that link yourself.
Philip J. Rayment 22:33, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

Question about the Second Amendment Page Footnote

- Greetings!

- Is it the purpose of an encyclopaedia to use the "most often quoted" version of a historical record or to use the

- most "authoritative" version of a historical record? If original documents are available for examination and those

- documents conflict with the "most often quoted" version used by later, possibly misinformed historians should not

- the original document take precedence over the later misinterpretations in an encyclopaedia?

- Best regards, —The preceding unsigned comment was added by JohnJacobH (talk)

Not sure what you're saying here. Is this the three-comma versus one-comma debate? Godspeed.--Aschlafly 17:39, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

John Schlafly

This page has been protected, but it needs to be sorted, and the name needs to be bolded. Thanks. Jazzman831 23:27, 22 July 2007 (EDT)

  • Then post on the talk page what you want added. Thanks! --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 23:33, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
In this case the talk page is deleted and protected. Jazzman831 23:46, 22 July 2007 (EDT)
He's got a point there, TK! Jassman831, I've made those changes. Philip J. Rayment 00:22, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Spam filter

I tried to edit the Help:Templates page but couldn't save it because it contains the word 'v a n d a l i z e' which triggers the spam filter. I completed the task by using a section link edit but it could be a problem for further edits. BrianCo 00:02, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

The American spelling of "vandalize" does not trip the spam filter. Only the non-American spelling does. Thanks and Godspeed.--Aschlafly 00:19, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
Ah, that explains Tash's problem. The offending word must be in the section being edited (which could be the whole page). I didn't realise that and didn't try it. Anyway, I've fixed it so it won't occur again there, and Andy is correct that the spam filter only triggers on the British (and Australian) spelling of the word, not the American spelling. I've already told him that I think that's discrimination! :-) Philip J. Rayment 00:28, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
Ha ha ha. It's good to have a sense of humour! Note the spelling of that last word.  :-) --Aschlafly 00:33, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Main Page

Just a quick question...obviously people have been editing the Main Page a lot today, because there's things that are different from yesterday. And yesterday it was different from the day before. But do you know why if you click history it says there was only one edit today, and the one before that 5 days before? Just thought I'd seem to do a lot on the main page. Thanks! DeborahB. 10:19, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Answered. Thanks.--Aschlafly 10:26, 23 July 2007 (EDT)
Oh...that makes better sense. And thanks for the quick response! DeborahB. 10:27, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Thanks, but...

Thanks, but Rob actually got him this time :) DanH 23:35, 23 July 2007 (EDT)

Hello sir

I sent you an email. PheasantHunter 01:19, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

Hello, just wondering if you got the email, or how I can contact you. Just wondering if you want my help or not. PheasantHunter 21:44, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

Remark on Home Page

I love how you handled the remark about the "Funniest Website." :) I really admire the way you handle the comments like that...I would want to fly off the handle and lash back at them :) DeborahB. 14:57, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

After awhile, you just kind of get used to those types of people. They think they're original, but they're the third people today to make the same type of comments. DanH 14:58, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

Yea...most of the time I just ignore them, but sometime's they're just so aggravating in the stupid things they say! But oh well...the helpful will come to our site, and the worthless. DeborahB. 15:12, 24 July 2007 (EDT)
Amen, Deborah.--Aschlafly 16:42, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

2008 Presidential Election

Could you move this article to 2008 United States Presidential Election? Other countries elect their presidents in 2008, too! Thanks. Greg 16:04, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

I oppose this for the reason stated on the proper talk page. Thanks.--Aschlafly 16:05, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

Andy, I am leaving in 25 minutes

Andy, I am leaving in 25 minutes, and I want to finish off the homosexuality article. I asked Mr. Martinez to copy these pics to Conservapedia but I think he may have left. Can you do it for me and copy the pics to my user discussion page so I know when you have done it?

Please copy the pic of the protestors with signs:

Please download and copy this Illegal drug pic:

Conservative 20:36, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

Silly Edits

Hello. You stated on my user page that my account will be blocked if I continued to make Silly edits. Silly to who? Obviously, you believe everything YOU say isn't silly, but apparently what OTHERS say is. I thought the talk pages were for voicing opinion, is this not so? Godspeed NPOV 22:15, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

You're in violation of our 90/10 rule against endless (and senseless) talk. Your account is running on borrowed time at this point.--Aschlafly 22:20, 24 July 2007 (EDT)

News capitalization

Hey, I just wanted to throw out the suggestion that there should be a consistent format for the front page news with regards to capitalization. In my opinion, everything should follow normal capitalization rules. For example, the Ward Churchill story is currently in all caps while everything else is regular; it just feels like that's being screamed out. If it's a matter of bringing to attention a new story, then maybe it wouldb e possible to borrow the drudge sirens? Just my two cents. Stryker 12:36, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

  • Yes, you have a good point, but I did want the news item about Churchill to scream. I did try to borrow the sirens! Drudge wouldn't budge on loaning them! --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 18:23, 25 July 2007 (EDT)


User:Roflcopter is a vandal. He vandalized two articles (which I reverted) and created three parody articles, which I can't do much about. Jazzman831 23:13, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

Thanks much. I took care of it.--Aschlafly 23:20, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
You're welcome, and thank you! While you are at it, I think User:RightLeft is also a vandal. Jazzman831 23:25, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
  • That doesn't appear to be vandalism in his two edits....but certainly introducing a personal POV. He will be warned. --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 23:37, 25 July 2007 (EDT)
You beat me to it. ;-) Learn together 23:41, 25 July 2007 (EDT)

(Theory of Relativity comments moved to their proper place at Talk:Theory of Relativity)

can you help me at this time?

Can you please download and copy this pic to my user discussion page:

It is for the homosexuality article.

I am hoping you can do it as soon as possible. Can you?

Conservative 13:45, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

I'm not sure that is public domain. Do you have permission?--Aschlafly 13:50, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
I just called the organization today. They like my homosexuality article and gave me the Louis Sheldon (he is a chairman for the group) pic for the article. They may feature our homosexuality article on their website or put it in their mass email. I don't see a problem using the pic since they approved the other pic. Conservative 13:53, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
OK, I uploaded it for you based on what you said. It is here: Image:Trad values coalition.jpg . Thanks.--Aschlafly 13:59, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

You vaccine info was messed with but I reverted it

You vaccine info was messed with but I reverted it. Can you upload two more pics for me? Conservative 15:03, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Vaccine info was messed with? I provided a good reason - that both sources were promotional webpages for a paid newsletter. There were no details, unless you purchase the newsletter - which I didn't do. If there is such a source then put that up as such. Otherwise, that paragraph does not stand. More in Vaccine talk page. ATang 15:09, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
Fair enough. Conservative 15:12, 26 July 2007 (EDT)


Just wondering if the final scores of the two teams are open to the public yet...sorry to keep asking, but I'm kind of curious to know how close we came. Thanks! DeborahB. 15:47, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

I'm curious too, Deborah! Maybe we should do our own estimates, which would include a range depending on how the quality of the new pages or edits are judged.--Aschlafly 16:15, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
Good idea...let's get started! And one more thing, who were the judges? DeborahB. 16:52, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
The judges were Geo, Hoji and TerryH.
My contributions:
   * Total new entries: 484
   * Estimated highest quality new entries: about 5 (for judges to decide) 
   * Total edits to existing entries: 117 edits
   * Estimated highest quality edits: about 6 (for judges to decide) 
   * Total blocks: 26 
   * Addition of categories to entries: 99 
I think that is over 3000 points for Team2.--Aschlafly 17:08, 26 July 2007 (EDT) got almost double the ammount of points I did! (This is the comment Hojimachong left me) :

Thank you for participating in the Conservapedia:Team contest. Your point total is 1279. It should be noted, however, that you incurred a 75-point penalty for false listings of articles you claim to have created (such as Supplemental Appropriation, Subsidy, and Sequester).
Regards, Hojimachong

The subtracted points was my own stupidity...I copied and pasted from a .gov website a list of terms, and some of them were already created. I just forgot to erase them from the list! So that was my point contribution...I'm pretty sure User:Joaquin Martinez did more then me, so our edits together total about 3000 points for our team, too. I wonder why User:Hojimachong didn't leave him or anyone else comments of their total points like he did for me? That would help us a lot! DeborahB. 17:21, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

I just had an it possible that, since the contest is over, maybe you can have one of the judges (or yourself) make the Judges:Contest page open to the public...maybe that will have the numbers we're looking for. What do you think? DeborahB. 17:52, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Sounds like a great idea, Deborah! I can't open the page. It has to be one of the judges who copies it to a public page.--Aschlafly 18:56, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
Oh...well, hopefully they'll come on. I haven't seen them in a few days...just a matter of catching them when they are. If you see them editing, could you ask if I'm not on? Thanks! DeborahB. 18:59, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
Will do. They usually appear on the site later in the evening. Godspeed.--Aschlafly 19:03, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
  • Deborah, one of the judges has had a personal, family tragedy, and the other two had to carry on, so I am sure when they sign on this evening, they will see your request. The main thing is, we all won with the contest! Jeeze...and they say boys are competitive! :p ----Sysop-TK /MyTalk 19:04, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
Ooops! Edit conflict! --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 19:05, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
 :) :) :) I won't make excuses or defend myself...I am very interested in seeing how close the two teams came to could call that competitiveness :) And I'm a pretty obsessive person...I guess you saw my messages to all the judges :) I'm just very interested. But now I'm making excuses like I said I wouldn't :) So I'll stop now. And I'm sorry about that judges family tragedy! DeborahB. 19:32, 26 July 2007 (EDT)
  • HEHEHEHE! That's why you were so good in the contest! :p Good work on those vandals today, btw! --Sysop-TK /MyTalk 19:44, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Why did TK block somebody for vandalism when TK committed the vandalism.

Between 17:11 through 17:14, 26 July 2007 TK created vandalism.[1] [2] [3] [4] [5]

At 17:24, 26 July 2007, TK blocks PheasantHunter for the vandalism committed by TK.[6]

By 17:29, 26 July 2007, TK realizes that the problems were created by him.[7] Yet User:PheasantHunter is still blocked.

Is this the kind of administration that is going to help you create a trustworthy encyclopedia?

Thanks. JohnMorrisonBirch 21:05, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

By the way, if you can provision the wiki to require email confirmation before new user creation, I think you will reduce the number of vandals. JohnMorrisonBirch 21:33, 26 July 2007 (EDT)

Like most wikis, the Conservapedia Sysops have authority over these issues, and our Main_Page has the link to reach them at Conservapedia:Desk. Please don't use my own talk page for such matters. Thanks and Godspeed.--Aschlafly 22:20, 26 July 2007 (EDT)