User talk:Learn together/2

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How about joining us on team one (to be named) in the contest?--Tash 19:49, 22 September 2007 (EDT)

It would be an honor to be on a team where you are captain. Count me in. ;-) Learn together 20:58, 23 September 2007 (EDT)

Great! We're going to need you--Tash 10:48, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

The contest begins today( Sep. 28) at noon, please check out our team page. Thanks, --Tash 08:51, 28 September 2007 (EDT)


Can you block this user? He is doing some sort of vandalism that messes up pages badly. Look at . shows how it works. SkipJohnson 16:50, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

Thank you for noticing this and for your prompt revisions. He has been removed. Learn together 16:58, 24 September 2007 (EDT)
I just help sweep the streets my friend; you're the one who comes through and paves it. ;-) Learn together 17:01, 24 September 2007 (EDT)

Contest Points

Great job raking up points yesterday!! I'm trying to get a accurate tally of yesterdays points for Team Airborne and I'm wondering when you were planning on recording a tally of your points for yesterday. If you want me to help record them for you, i would be happy to help (I'm recording Ed Poor's points right now since he dislikes the recording precess). Keep up the good work!--Tash 17:01, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

I've created a page (User:Learn together/Contest2) to record your points, and have recorded yesterdays on it. Please feel free to update and change as needed.Thanks!--Tash 17:43, 29 September 2007 (EDT)

Urgent Matter...

Please contact me if you are around.... --şŷŝôρ-₮KṢρёаќǃ 04:32, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Sanford Ransdell Article

I wrote the Sanford Ransdell article. I was told that I could bring material that I wrote over to Conservapedia. If that's not the case then I apologize. Dwain 09:39, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

LearnTogether, yes Dwain is the originator of numerous WP articles, and we'd be happy to have his original, uncensored versions here. Rob Smith 12:06, 2 October 2007 (EDT)
No problem gentlemen. I help to guard the site based on the information on hand. If there's more than I am aware of and you have the situation covered then that's fine. Learn together 13:32, 2 October 2007 (EDT)


It is a very nice article, but it's spelled incorrectly. It's ok, it has to happen to everyone sometime, right? ;-) HelpJazz 13:27, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Thanks for catching it. I followed the link from the Abby Hoffman article and created it, but didn't catch that it was spelled wrong. I've corrected it in the Hoffman article as well. Learn together 13:44, 2 October 2007 (EDT)

Counting Contest Points

If you could total your contest points for today that would be great (doesn't have to be exact to the .9999)- I have my SAT's on Saturday so I'm kind of running short on time and want to get some editing in tonight. Great job racking up points!! Thanks--Tash 20:03, 2 October 2007 (EDT) (here's a link to the points guide)

Sure Tash, and thanks for doing this for me as the contest has gone alone. Good luck on your SAT's. I'll need to leave shortly myself, so I won't be able to tabulate it until tomorrow. Hopefully that won't hurt anything. ;-) Learn together 20:09, 2 October 2007 (EDT)


What's with all the red links in your edits for day seven? They don't show having been deleted. :{ --BethTalk2ME 14:23, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

I'm still editing the page Bethany. Hopefully they'll be fixed up soon. ;-) Learn together 14:25, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

The contest is over since 12:00 noon. You shouldn't be counting the ones after that. BTW great contest. Really exciting.--BethTalk2ME 14:28, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

Yes, it was lots of fun. Hope you guys all enjoyed it. ;-) But don't worry Bethany, I'm not counting new ones, I'm just organizing the ones I did. ;-) I dump my day's work, then I move them line by line to where they should be. Sometimes its quicker for me to just retype them, so case errors can pop it. All the red should be gone now for day 7. ;-) Learn together 14:39, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

I also notice that Justice Joseph Story is after 12:00.--BethTalk2ME 14:35, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

My last edit was after 12:00, but I had earlier ones the same day. I'm only counting the early ones. Learn together 14:39, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
Great job man! You pushed us over the victory line...--Tash 14:58, 5 October 2007 (EDT)
Hey, you got your first victory! ;-) Learn together 16:51, 5 October 2007 (EDT)

Bush National Guard

So was Dan Quayle. The difference is, Quayle actually reported for duty and caught hell, while Bush missed most of his training and didn't catch nearly the flak. Maestro 16:20, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

Part of the Dan Quayle article shows the double standard used against him that was not applied to others, especially those who came directly afterwards. Quayle was filleted for serving in the guard instead of fighting in Vietnam -- then along comes Bill Clinton. After 8 years of Clinton who didn't fight in Vietnam or serve in the National Guard, the bar was set pretty low. Bush at least spending some time in the guard was a step up. Learn together 19:31, 17 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Maestro, you are merely repeating, nazi like, the BIG LIE. Bush, according to all documentation not presented by Dan Rather, missed nothing much, and was fully flight qualified. It is open to speculation only as to how "officially" sanctioned his doing his flight quals elsewhere was, but I can tell you from personal experience, it was quite normal to do so. And that fact has also been reported nationally, but ignored amongst the hype. Please try to remember the original allegations were not that he wasn't fully trained or qualified, but that his connections allowed him to take that training in other places. Later it was minipulated, spun into his actually not receiving the necessary training. That has been completely, and factually disproved. That is why Rather was fired allowed early retirement. --şŷŝôρ-₮K/Ṣρёаќǃ 20:24, 17 October 2007 (EDT)

My friend

Where are you? --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 15:15, 5 November 2007 (EST)

I am here my friend; I have just been very busy. Hope you are doing well and God's blessing to you. ;-) Learn together 03:04, 8 November 2007 (EST)


Hello Learn Together - given that in the last contest you were one of the top two contributors - you have been made a captain in the newest contest. The tentative starting date is Friday the 9th, and it runs for 7 days. Pick as many people as you want for your team - however, only the top 7 contributors will actually count (and it's best if you keep your team number to bellow 10 to ensure equality). If you are unable or unwilling to be the captain - please get back to me as soon as possible so we can inform the next candidate. Thanks so much - and good luck!--IDuan 22:40, 7 November 2007 (EST)

Thank you Iduan, I am flattered you have chosen me as captain for the next team contest. Unfortunately, I am very busy at this time and I feel I would not be able to do the position justice for Conservapedia or those who would join my team. In fact it was only dumb luck that I happened to sign on today and look. Really, Tash put in the most effort in the last contest even with his SAT test coming up at that time, including helping to tabulate our scores. May I recommend, especially after his strong showing in the last contest as captain to bring our team to a razor thin victory margin, that you see if Tash would be willing to take up the gauntlet.
Again, thank you Learn together 03:10, 8 November 2007 (EST)
Nice to have you IN. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 16:55, 9 November 2007 (EST)
I can't let TK down. ;-) I'll do the best I can for you guys. Learn together 16:58, 9 November 2007 (EST)
Ready? --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 14:26, 11 November 2007 (EST)
Where is the list of your points? --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 10:15, 13 November 2007 (EST)
I haven't tabulated it yet my friend. Don't worry, they won't be going anywhere. ;-)

Congratulations, great work. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 20:58, 18 November 2007 (EST)


Hey Learn together! I'm so glad you could participate in the contest - even if you couldn't be a captain (and I'm even more glad that you're on my team!) So one of the first questions for our team is what our team name should be. If you have any ideas just get word out to TK, thanks (and remember: we're using a Machiavellian policy towards this contest: We must win - no matter what. lol, good luck!)--IDuan00:02, 10 November 2007 (EST)

Team Name: Supply Siders  --şyŝoρ-₮K/Ṣρёаќǃ 16:55, 11 November 2007 (EST)
Team page: Conservapedia:Team Supply Siders --IDuan 17:02, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Nice assist

[1] --Ed Poor Talk 16:17, 12 November 2007 (EST)

Thanks Ed, I just couldn't resist ;-) Learn together 16:17, 12 November 2007 (EST)


Why is Dewey blocked? Luke

He's highlighting all "goat" entries. That's a tonuge-in-cheek move that a site whose goal is to vandalize CP takes pride in. The last edit to Vitamin C had goat highlighted in about 10 different places. Think of it as a calling card to say "gotcha". Look through his edit history before being blocked and you'll see what I'm talking about. Learn together 19:28, 12 November 2007 (EST)


Check out the first two paragraphs of this article: direct WP copy/paste. I was going to recommend it for deletion, but since you edited it (and since the rest seems OK) I didn't want to screw you out of a couple contest points. Now instead you have an opportunity to gain some points :) HelpJazz 13:53, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Thank you. The information appears to be a factual straight forward description, at least in the first paragraph. It all seems to be pertinent. Even if it matches WP, I don't view it the same as copying large quantities. I changed the second paragraph, where more individual style could be seen. BTW, if you really find an article that's unsalvageable, don't hesitate to have it deleted. The contest is to make CP better, so losing a couple of points to delete something that doesn't belong is no skin off my back. ;-) Learn together 14:24, 13 November 2007 (EST)
Actually I was on the fence about deleting, but I didn't want to step on any toes. Competition's fierce! :) HelpJazz 21:44, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Thanks for cleaning up my edits

I think I've got it now, I appreciate the help.-MexMax 18:14, 13 November 2007 (EST)

Yes, you've really got down the categories, the default sort, and the name form with the edits you're doing. Good job! Some of us will bold the name as well. With the entries that you have, I'm doing some form cleanup too. That's strictly up to the individual. Here is an example Philip_Pendleton_Barbour. Please note what I do is not a requirement or even expected. I just personally think it looks better that way. Learn together 19:14, 13 November 2007 (EST)


Thanks for the recategorizations. However, I think that jellyfish should probably be recategorized, because the second sentence of the article says that they aren't actually fish. I'm not sure what the best category is, because I haven't looked at how the animal articles are really organized, but I thought I'd see if you had any suggestions. Thanks! DanH 03:14, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Unfortunately, not really. Perhaps a category for "Sea Creatures" might be appropriate. Learn together 03:17, 14 November 2007 (EST)

  • Invertebrates?
I was hoping for something that would get all the water creatures in one place to make it easy for our viewers. I'm sure we'll think up something. ;-) Learn together 11:34, 14 November 2007 (EST)


Could you possibly record your points since November 12, 12:00 in the afternoon? If you could that would be great! --~BCSTalk2ME 11:24, 14 November 2007 (EST)

???--~BCSTalk2ME 11:31, 14 November 2007 (EST)

I'll see what I can do. It takes me a bit longer than you guys since in the past I've displayed each individual article under the scoring categories. I'm really not looking forward to that. ;-0 Learn together 11:37, 14 November 2007 (EST)
OK! Sorry if I was annoying...I just want to know what I'm up against! ;P --~BCSTalk2ME 11:40, 14 November 2007 (EST)


Very good question, and not without several problems. We actually ran into this in WP also, and they have not satisfactorily resolved it, either.

For our purposes here, the basic division is between Case Officer and an agent. Speaking broadly, the Case Officer is the intelligence professional who is usually a citizen of the same nation that the Intelligence organization is subordinate to. An "Agent," in most cases would be a witting contact of the Case Officer. A "Source" can be unwitting, that is to say, intelligence information can be gleened from an unwitting, unsuspecting source, and then passed through an agent to the case officer. Also, a Source can be witting, too. That is to say, perhaps it is just a one-time passing of information, or perhaps under extraordinary ciricmstances a relationship can be formed between a Case Officer or Agent with a witting Source, whose information can be deemed bona fide & trustworthy, but the Source is just unwilling or incapable of forming an Agent-Principal relationship because of risk of exposure, etc.

I hope that doesn't clear it up, huh? Rob Smith 21:46, 14 November 2007 (EST)

Actually it does Rob, thank you. It let's me know that there is a differentiation and I should stay away. ;-) I wasn't sure if they were the same thing and you had just started using a different category later. I'm glad you're the one trying to classify them and not me. ;-) Learn together 21:50, 14 November 2007 (EST)
For the most part, here in CP, the bios in KGB are Soviet citizens who were KGB Case Officers, & the "agents and sources" are mostly US citizens, with a few Brits, Germans, and maybe one or two Japanese right now. Rob Smith 22:11, 14 November 2007 (EST)
  • So my answer, on your talk page, Rob, was incorrect? Or can the individuals in KGB, top category be moved off to individuals? Or do we need a new category created? --şyŝoρ-₮K/Ṣρёаќǃ 22:14, 14 November 2007 (EST)

block and delete needed

Just look at the recent changes. Bohdan 16:09, 16 November 2007 (EST)

That should earn you a few points! Bohdan 16:10, 16 November 2007 (EST)
Thanks to your heads up approach Bohdan, we stopped him ;-) Learn together 16:12, 16 November 2007 (EST)

removal of copy righted material

I have removed a few additions you made as they were cut and pasted of material under copyright. hope you don't mind.--JBuscombe 14:21, 18 November 2007 (EST)

Your removal is unwarranted. The source is cited and not directly copied. I am flattered though that I am being sought out by you guys. Why should TK and Andy get all of the fun? ;-) Learn together 15:53, 18 November 2007 (EST)


Please ask before re-directing articles! We prefer to move them, Bill, rather than create double-redirects that need others to fix them later. Thanks. --şyŝoρ-₮K/Ṣρёаќǃ 20:51, 20 November 2007 (EST)

His Dark Materials

Hi, I'm a new Conservapedia editor, and I noticed that you recently edited His Dark Materials. As you can see on my user page, JK899, working on this article is my primary goal on this site. I am extending an offer to you to help me achieve the goals regarding the books on my user page. If you are interested, tell me on my discussion page. JK899 19:03, 4 December 2007 (EST)

Thanks for the reply. I agree with you on what will be the site's reaction to the books , and I know the article will probably receive heavy vandalism after I work on it. I want to state the facts of the book that are impossible to refute, like the plot and the definite constrasts with the stated beliefs of the major religions. I personally don't see the books as being anti-Christian (mostly against using blind faith instead of knowledge), but I won't say that anywhere and will definitely include links to arguments of people who say it is anti-Christian.

Concerning editing other articles, I'll make minor edits of course, but no real major changes until after I get Dark Materials finished. This is on account of me having just read the books and the facts being fresh in my mind.

I'll post the plot section today, and hopefully you'll see it and inform me of what changes I should make. Thanks for being so civil. Usually the only theists I encounter online are raving, opionionated jerks. Guess I've been looking in the wrong places. JK899 16:45, 5 December 2007 (EST)

Hi Learntogether, I understand you recently undid my edits to The Golden Compass. I'm not really sure why though, since my changes simply improved the flow of the passage and added additional information (such as the comparisons to Paradise Lost and its alternate title in NZ and the UK). Please feel free to discuss it with me further on the talk page. :D Underscoreb 19:16, 6 May 2008 (EDT)

Learntogether, I'm acting in good faith here and yet you're persisting in reverting my edits without comment. Please consider Philip's objective assessment and, in the words of Will Wheaton, "don't be a d***". :D Underscoreb 17:40, 7 May 2008 (EDT)

Sometimes there are instances where compromise as you wish it is not possible. We are both aware of Pullman's position and we come at it from opposite perspectives in life -- fair enough. But knowing why he wrote the books he did and what he was trying to get across, this site will not allow any watering down or political correctness to cover that up. Other information such as the different name in other continents is fine, but don't try to rewrite the story. Learn together 17:52, 7 May 2008 (EDT)
To be honest, I'm not sure you are fully aware of Pullman's position :D While he did say he was "undermining Christianity", he's added that there's more to it than that. If you've ever read his "Republic of Heaven" speech, he talks about how he is anti-religion because of the hierarchies and power politics it creates.
"We're used to the kingdom of heaven; but you can tell from the general thrust of the book that I'm of the devil's party, like Milton. And I think it's time we thought about a republic of heaven instead of the kingdom of heaven. The king is dead. That's to say I believe that the king is dead. I'm an atheist. But we need heaven nonetheless, we need all the things that heaven meant, we need joy, we need a sense of meaning and purpose in our lives, we need a connection with the universe, we need all the things that the kingdom of heaven used to promise us but failed to deliver. And, furthermore, we need it in this world where we do exist-- not elsewhere, because there ain't no elsewhere."

I felt that maybe the nuances of Pullman's position (which is one shared by other atheists, myself included) might be of interest to other Conservapedia readers. Underscoreb 17:59, 7 May 2008 (EDT)


Hi there

I am just planing to make a team to update, at the Main Page, the "Article of the month". Could be you, Crocoite and me. I am sure Andy will approve it. Agree? --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 09:39, 8 December 2007 (EST)

It would be an honor to be teamed up with two such fine contributors my friend. Thank you for your confidence. Learn together 03:45, 10 December 2007 (EST)
The reply from Mr. Schlafly was this:

Sounds like a fantastic idea, Joaquin! I'm all for it.

First thing we have to do is to make a list of featured articles, then select the best ones. We can start now.

--User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 13:15, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Please use:

Featured articles

--User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 15:11, 13 December 2007 (EST)

Happy new year! --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 18:31, 1 January 2008 (EST)

Any proposal to start? --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 07:40, 14 December 2007 (EST)
Good one! Thank you. --User:Joaquín Martínez, talk 09:53, 17 December 2007 (EST)

Coin collecting

(slaps own forehad) Darn! I shoulda thoughta that category --Ed Poor Talk 17:55, 10 December 2007 (EST)

Response appreciated

This is DarkMessiah, it seems i have been banned (for an idealogical reason :P). If you would like to continue our discussion, as i would, you can email or instant message me on Please contact an administrator and have them delete this account. PleaseDeleteTempUser 17:09, 16 December 2007 (EST)


I think we've come to a relatively good consensus that the Srebrenica massacre should indeed be considered genocide. Do you think we can unblock the article and make the appropriate edits. SSchultz 21:56, 16 December 2007 (EST)