Talk:Digital ID

Ukraine has a Digital ID, one of the first to do so. Everything is online, you birth certificate, driver license, unemployment insurance, social security, etc. Ukraine#Digital_ID. RobS^Z+ 21:41, June 16, 2022 (EDT)

While the intro paragraph might be accurate, I would suggest a bit less editorializing. I agree that digital IDs are a bad idea, but I think it would be more effective and helpful to our readers if we first just introduce what it is and how it functions, then get in to pros (yes, there are a few), and cons (which in my opinion are much more significant), and provide references to back it all up. Sure, there are hidden motivations for those in authority to push digital IDs, but some readers may not even be familiar with what one is. I would therefore suggest that we start there. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 03:43, June 17, 2022 (EDT)

The basic idea is that your driver license will be on your phone - which seems inevitable at some point. That's a good place to begin. Eventually everyone will need to do electronic income tax filing, or make unemployment claims that way. Getting Obamacare and all that stuff is done online. So you need to begin with the basic idea of a birth certificate, social security number, and driver license, and build it from there (as long as the US still has some private medical insurers, the issue of medical records online should be dealt with last, which would probably need its own page anyway). RobS^Z+ 03:57, June 17, 2022 (EDT)

The idea is, all your interactions with government will be done with a digital ID - even if you appeared in the DMV or Social Security office in person, they still would need your Digital ID number, probably a Q code off your phone. RobS^Z+ 04:00, June 17, 2022 (EDT)

The editorializing can go in a separate ==Criticism== section. RobS^Z+ 04:04, June 17, 2022 (EDT)

Right on. Excellent suggestions above by all means. Have in mind to clean up my recent changes including a better intro section with 2+ definitions and attempt to explain how 2 types of digital ID meet the defintion. Not sure if it could write easily, but I'd like to (without editorializing or 'giving them ideas') amplify the subtopics (ie privacy and access control) that directly concern civil liberties with examples. Newish here and not sure about free time yet.-- Fallandtrip (talk) 17:10, January 15, 2023 (EST)

Grateful for the community on this site. Requires tight combination of specialized knowledge of both the topic and how to layout in wikitext. Currently reading this book "Scanned" which is relevant. May be something I can cut out later but an email address for a throw-away account in case it could make sense to be reached by community. (roll.dice476@gmail.com) --Fallandtrip (talk) 17:53, January 15, 2023 (EST)

Global deployment section. links. Removed Background section. Let me know if new version sounds editorialized still. 👍 --Fallandtrip (talk) 21:20, January 16, 2023 (EST)

Article could benefit from simplicity. Took out most of my recent edits. Made a separate page for 'access control' (topic where I believe digital identity has most of its scandals). Im a noob so I might not yet have the best sense of how to link to AC or to the ukraine war subsection about digital ID. --Fallandtrip (talk) 00:13, January 18, 2023 (EST)

I don't necessarily think all of what you added then removed, doesn't have value being there. But perhaps it could be condensed and simplified a little. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 00:38, January 18, 2023 (EST)

May roll these out gradually from backups.--Fallandtrip (talk) 14:49, January 21, 2023 (EST)

Definition section.. would like to use the word 'exclusive' somehow in referring to the 'single authoritative party' to better hint at the authoritarianism relative to current (multi-root) predecessor-trust models. But this notion may yet sound too editorialized. --Fallandtrip (talk) 14:47, January 21, 2023 (EST)

Not necessarily; maybe if you preface it with something like, "As of 2023, bla bla bla had exclusive..." to preempt future changes or criticism. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 16:43, January 21, 2023 (EST)