Debate: Is Christian Nationalism biblical

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Yes

Yes. Where two or more are gathered in my name, there I am also. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 12:00, September 11, 2023 (EDT)

Yes. Yes, because Jesus Christ is King of kings, it is right that the kings of the earth serve Him as their King, and do whatever they can to promote His Reign in their own countries and everywhere else, promoting the Great Commission, stopping the Persecution of Christians, and ending the Bloodshed of other Innocents, the Unborn. Jesus Christ is either Lord of all, or not at all. Governments must serve God.NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 12:44, September 11, 2023 (EDT)

Did Pagan Rome serve God in a direct sense of acknowledging His deity and authority? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 12:50, September 11, 2023 (EDT)

That's not the issue. If the government is non-Christian, Christians should continue to be good citizens, pay taxes etc. That's what St. Paul is saying. The government puts evil people in jail and protects the innocent, and that in itself is good. But a Christian Government must do more: (1) it must proactively promote the Great Commission (2) End the Bloodshed of the Unborn (3) Stop the Persecution of Christians. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:29, September 12, 2023 (EDT)

No

• Mark 12:17 affirms that one's obligations to God and the civil government are distinct, which rests on the very premise of separation of church and state. Romans 13:1 establishes that Christians must respect the authority of civil governments, ruling out any biblical basis for paramiliitary insurrections such as the January 6 Capitol protests.

Christian Nationalism, as I've said before, parallels the ideology promulgated by Judas of Galilee, who "proclaimed the Jewish state as a republic recognizing God alone as king and ruler and His laws as supreme." The Pharisaic elder Gamaliel of the Sanhedrin reflected:

“	After this man rose up Judas of Galilee in the days of the taxing, and drew away much people after him: he also perished; and all, even as many as obeyed him, were dispersed.	”
—Acts 5:37

The fervently nationalist, Zionist ideology of the Zealots is nearly identical to modern-day "Christian Nationalism": a group of disgruntled fanatics, mixing politics with religion, think that they are doing a favor for God by overthrowing tyrannical, oppressive governments and instituting in their place theocracies. And yet, those revolutions only result in increased moral abominations—January 6 saw rioters, in the name of "Christianity," committing unrestrained, savage, beastly assaults, just as the First Jewish–Roman War resulted in an outgrowth of moral depravity among the Jews. According to the Jewish historian Josephus, mothers were eating their own children after the Pagan Roman authority was removed!

Later in the 2nd century, ultra-Zionist Jews who followed after the false prophet and pseudo-messiah Simon bar Kokhba murdered countless Jewish Christians who dissented with "all kinds of persecutions," according to the church historian Eusebius. And we see the same attitudes today—any Christian who refuses to support the fanatic apostasy of extremist "right-wing" populism is quickly castigated by the Christian Nationalist mob as a "Biden-shilling Marxist socialist degeneracy-enabling Hillary Clinton–supporting ☭Communist☭." —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Monday, 13:21, September 11, 2023 (EDT)

"and from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, the firstborn from the dead, and the ruler of the kings of the earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood" (Rev 1:5). "1:5 kings of the earth. Jesus Christ is anointed Prophet, Priest and King. As the “faithful witness,” or “martyr,” He shed His blood for our sins; as “the firstborn from the dead” (Colossians 1:18), He is our great “High Priest for ever after the order of Melchizedec” (Hebrews 6:20); and as the prince of earthly kings, He is “Lord of lords, and King of kings” (Revelation 17:14)." https://www.icr.org/books/defenders/8945

No, Pharisaic Zionism is not comparable - they rejected Jesus Christ as their King, see: "But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying, We will not have this man to reign over us." (Luk 19:14).

Christian Nationalism rejects Pharisaic Zionism. It affirms: "We WILL have this Man (Jesus Christ) to reign over us". Btw, I don't support any anarchist violence. I support Pro-Life Conservative Christian Candidates like Ron DeSantis to be Democratically Elected and then implement a Bold Conservative Christian Nationalism Agenda, as I think he will. NishantXavier^{For Christ the King} 17:35, September 12, 2023 (EDT)

[EC] You're missing the point, NishantXavier. Firstly, I did not compare Christian Nationalism to Pharisaic Judaism; I compared it to the "fourth ideology" of the Zealots led by Judas of Galilee; the Pharisees, along with the Sadducees and Essenes, comprised the three "main" sects. Christian Nationalism is modeled on the core ideological tenets of the Zealots in viewing earthly theocracy and "pro-God" revolution as a biblical approach to the world's problems. Just as Judas the Galilean and Simon bar Kokhba saw their revolutionary theocratic movements as elevating God and persecuted dissident Jews, so too are the likes of Jim Caviezel and co. calling anyone who criticizes their "patriotic" campaigns as "leftist-shilling anti-Christian" and other pointless smears.

And you're mistaken in the exact sense of what it means for Christ being King of kings and Lord of lords. It does not mean that Christianity is to be the religion/ideology of an earthly kingdom over sinful men, a notion so plainly debunked in the New Testament. In addition, just because a person appears to profess Christ as Lord does not mean that they are honest, as countless deceivers are in the world. (2 John 7)

Church history is incredibly helpful to understand: following the prophetic ten days of rabid state-sanctioned violence against the Christians of the Smyrnean age manifested in the Diocletianic Persecution (Rev. 2:10), Constantine took over and instituted a great compromise between Christianity and paganism, creating the religion known today as Roman Catholicism. Once the compromise was complete, the newly empowered tyrannical system by the decree of Justinian in 538 A.D. set off a time, times, and half a time (Dan. 7:25) of papal persecution, lasting precisely 1,260 years (Rev. 12:6) to 1798 when Louis-Alexandre Berthier took Pope Pius VI captive, thereby inflicting the deadly wound. (Rev. 13:3) Sure, the form of religion created by Constantine at face value professed Jesus as the Christ, yet is referred to by the Bible as Jezebel (Rev. 2:20), Babylon (Rev. 17:5), with its leader known as the son of perdition (2 Thess. 2:3) who will get thrown into a (yes, "a" and not "the") lake of fire. (Rev. 19:20) These are facts. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 18:03, September 12, 2023 (EDT)

Neither. Christian nationalism is neither biblical or unbiblical

Neither. Christian nationalism is neither biblical or unbiblical. Christianity was a persecuted minority religion at the time the Bible was written. So the New Testament writers didn't address this non-concern. Conservative (talk) 17:43, September 12, 2023 (EDT)

Did you read anything I said? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Tuesday, 18:03, September 12, 2023 (EDT)