Difference between revisions of "Talk:Donald Trump achievements"

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December 2015 - Trump met with Alex Jones, becoming, after his election, the first President-elect to have met with Alex Jones.[14]

What an honor that must've been, meeting with Alex Jones.

It's stiil unclear wheather the meeting took place in Dec 2015 or Nov 2016, or if the two have ever met in person at all. RobS^{#NeverHillary} 22:15, 5 January 2017 (EST)

no they did meet. that's what Alex Jones article says.

Yah, but in Transition like the subheading says or pre-election in Dec 2015? RobS^{#NeverHillary} 09:31, 6 January 2017 (EST)

Article I Sec.5

Article I Sec 5 of the Constitution states. Each House may determine the Rules of its Proceedings, traditionally voted upon at the start of each new Congress. Trump interfered with proceedings of the House after a majority voted on ethics reform. I would not refer to this as being "right". Substantively, the ethics rule change was to stop accepting anonymous claims by House members to open an investigation, which members of both parties approve of (under House rules only House members can bring charges against other members). IMO, Trump most definitely was not "right" for playing into the hands of the liberal media and partisan Democrats to criticize House Republicans and Leadership. You can leave it in as an accomplishment, but interfering in Congressional business mandated by Constitutional law, thwarting badly needed ethics reform, and pandering to the liberal media, I wouldn't call "right". RobS^{Make Exxon Great Again} 10:05, 29 January 2017 (EST)

I fixed it because I've seen conservatives present different views on this issue. --1990'sguy (talk) 16:45, 29 January 2017 (EST)

Success, failure, or none of the above?

Is this recent decision best considered a failure or is it best to be neutral on this or not include it[1]? --1990'sguy (talk) 22:14, 31 January 2017 (EST)

From a conservative standpoint, it is a failure. However, I don't know if it's an achievement, as it is something he's leaving alone (which I believe he should not) rather than doing. You could list it as a failure in that he has intentionally failed to do what he should have--I don't know what's best. Unfortunately, some of his morals are questionable. --David B ^(TALK) 19:59, 3 February 2017 (EST)

Parking spot

I'm creating this section to put sources/events that would probably be best if we wait for those events to play out before adding them to the article.

Trump's 2017 budget

• http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/16/winners-and-losers-in-trumps-budget-blueprint.html
• http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/16/donald-trump-budget-spends-big-on-military-and-the-wall-cuts-foreign-aid-epa-and-public-broadcasting/
• http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/28/trump-2017-spending-add-62-mile-border-wall-cnn/

Regulations

• http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/15/trump-pumps-brakes-on-obama-era-fuel-efficiency-standards.html

--1990'sguy (talk) 17:09, 16 March 2017 (EDT)

Revoking Obama's federal contracting orders

• https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2017/03/27/presidential-executive-order-revocation-federal-contracting-executive (March 27, 2017)

--1990'sguy (talk) 10:51, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

Potential environment failure

• http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/03/28/politico-pruitt-takes-fire-conservatives-climate-showdown/

--1990'sguy (talk) 15:13, 29 March 2017 (EDT)

DoJ, "sanctuary" cities, and illegal immigration

• I'm curious as to how this will play out. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think it may be too early to add this, though.
• http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/30/sessions-seeks-to-speed-up-deportation-illegal-immigrants-in-federal-facilities.html (and[2][3][4][5][6])

--1990'sguy (talk) 12:18, 31 March 2017 (EDT)

2020 census

• this might be interesting to watch, and possibly good to add [7] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:46, 31 March 2017 (EDT)

North Korea

• It may be that Trump is successfully pressuring China to adopt a tougher stance on North Korea[8][9] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:01, 15 April 2017 (EDT)

Foregin policy stuff

• https://www.voanews.com/a/pence-us-indonesia-trade-barriers/3819726.html --1990'sguy (talk) 17:12, 21 April 2017 (EDT)

Premature info

• In April 2017, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson strongly condemned the Obama-era Iran agreement and confirmed the Trump Administration was reviewing it.REFTillerson slams Iran nuclear deal as 'failed approach,' vows 'comprehensive review'. Fox News. Retrieved April 19, 2017.REF [10][11][12] --1990'sguy (talk) 17:03, 21 April 2017 (EDT)
• Blocks on the immigration suspensions and the sanctuary city executive order[13] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:16, 25 April 2017 (EDT)
• January 25, 2017—Trump promised to investigate voter fraud in the U.S. While this appears to have only been an announcement of a future action, it shows that President Trump is serious about voter fraud.REF Shaw, Adam (January 25, 2017). Trump promises 'major investigation' into alleged voter fraud. Fox News. Retrieved January 25, 2017. REF

Budget

We don't know what will happen to the budget, but when the President, and both branches of Congress are controlled by the same party, the OMB Director has an expectation to come up with a budget framework that will garner some support on the hill. JDano (talk) 23:02, 16 March 2017 (EDT)

We will see what happens. It's too early to call it a failure. We shouldn't jump to conclusions. Maybe something good will come out of the budget talks. Who knows. The OMB budget was just released yesterday, and just because some members of Congress appear to disapprove of the bill on the very day it is released does not mean it is a failure. Actually, one could easily call it a success because Trump crafted such a great budget (reducing spending on many programs but raising it on important programs like the wall and military). It will take quite a bit of time until Trump signs the approved budget into law.

Also, when adding info, I recommend not using a source like WaPo as the default source, unless it has clear advantages to another source like Fox News or Breitbart, which is unlikely.

Concerning the wiretapping claim, President Trump stated in a recent interview with Tucker Carlson, as I remember it, that he would be presenting info to Congress and making a speech on the topic. Trump is not finished. Let's wait for it to play out. --1990'sguy (talk) 09:12, 17 March 2017 (EDT)

The budget will be dictated by the upcoming debt ceiling vote. Whatever number they come up with, the remainder of this year, all next year (FY 2018) and a few weeks after the Midterms all have to fit within that number. Here again, the Freedom Caucus has a big role to play. So the fate of healthcare reform, a tax cut before Midterms, infrastructure/border wall, etc. remain in their hands. After that, they are out of the process, and Pelosi & Shumer will be called upon for the votes to make anything happen.

Now you might say the Freedom Caucus might try to limit the debt ceiling because they are allegedly fiscal conservatives. If that is the case, Pelosi supplies the needed votes to keep the government open, and the debt increase will be even larger. Then infrastructure and corporate tax cuts are back on the table for the remainder of this year, with Trump/Ryan trading with Shumer/Pelosi for big tax cuts and big infrastructure pork barrel in Democratic districts - a bipartisan solution to adding to the deficit.

And of course you can thank those loyal conservative Freedom Caucusesers for all this. RobS^{CIA v Trump updated score:CIA 3, Trump 2} 19:48, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

Add election info? Input would be great

Should I re-add this info that I briefly added?[14] This article has a desired focus on ideological/legislative/political achievements of President Trump, but the election info could be useful in showing the reader how historic Trump's presidency is or hopefully will be. Or should I add it but collapse it? Input would be great. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:44, 20 March 2017 (EDT)

Restoring that data seems like a good idea to me, but I'm not really involved in this article, so others who know more might disagree. --David B ^(TALK) 12:11, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

I agree that restoring that information would be helpful. Thank you!--Andy Schlafly (talk) 15:22, 28 March 2017 (EDT)

OK, I will add the info. I won't do it immediately because I am still considering how to organize this article. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:44, 12 April 2017 (EDT)

More stuff I will add

Soon I will split the election and transition info into a subpage. I will add this info, most likely, when I do so:

2016 election win

• http://www.nationalreview.com/article/442015/2016-election-donald-trump-wins-white-house-historic-upset
• http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/12/19/donald-trump-celebrates-historic-electoral-landslide-victory-again/
• http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/nov/9/donald-trump-celebrates-historic-victory-gets-to-w/

Broke political rules, historic win

• http://www.breitbart.com/news/how-trump-broke-the-rules-of-modern-politics-and-won-anyway/
• http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/priebus-trumps-win-biggest-since-reagan/article/2608212
• http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/trump-campaign
• http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/how-trump-broke-the-rules-of-modern-politics-and-won-anyway/
• https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/how-donald-trump-broke-the-old-rules-of-politics--and-won-the-white-house/2016/11/09/f3190498-a5e1-11e6-8fc0-7be8f848c492_story.html?utm_term=.4cbffbc1eb5b

--1990'sguy (talk) 17:53, 17 April 2017 (EDT)

Input requested for subpages

I am planning to split this article up into several subpages due to length. However, I am not sure how to split it up.

One option is to split the article up by year and have all the 2017 accomplishments on one article, all the 2018 accomplishments on another article, and so on. A potential problem with this article is because the Trump Administration is still ongoing and they are still working out their agenda, it might be difficult determining which achievements to add and which years (for example, the government restructuring plan has been ongoing this year and there have been several executive actions concerning this already, but the final government restructuring most likely won't become official this year[15]).

The second option is splitting this article up based on areas of policy, such as a page for social issues, a page for fiscal issues, and one for foreign policy. Potential problems with this format are the possibility of these pages themselves becoming quite large, having to decide which category each achievement goes (for example, is reducing the size of government a social policy or fiscal policy?), and/or too many subpages will be created.

I would appreciate input on this matter. --1990'sguy (talk) 15:44, 12 April 2017 (EDT)

I am leaning towards the first option, as it seems the most simple of the two options. I would only have to worry about editing one or two pages each year, while with the other option I would have to edit at least 3-4 pages (and maybe even more). --1990'sguy (talk) 17:30, 12 April 2017 (EDT)

What I think I will do is what I said right above, and then I will add Trump's main or overall (big picture) accomplishments to the main article. --1990'sguy (talk) 18:04, 12 April 2017 (EDT)