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Abrahamic religion

At least to me, this page practically (there are some very minor reference to other religions) makes it seem like the concept of a deity does not exist outside of the Abrahamic religion, which is obviously false, and writes almost solely from a Judeo-Christian perspective. Perhaps "according to Abrahamic religion...." should be added, then, to make it clearer that this is not the only concept of a deity? --JamesCartwright 16:00, 4 December 2010 (EDT)

Unlike Wikipedia, Conservapedia does not pretend to have a "neutral" point of view. The point of view of Conservapedia is that God as described in the Bible is the One True God (http://mit.irr.org/28-biblical-passages-which-explicitly-teach-there-only-one-god) and therefore is the only god that is going to be mentioned in this article. Conservapedia does acknowledge the existence of other religions and concepts of deities on religion pages like Hinduism but will of course, not treat their concept of god as if it is the real god. This is a website for right-wing Christian conservatives, I think that should be evident from the typical tone of most of the articles here. If you disagree with that to the extent that it bothers you, then maybe this website isn't for you. I think that this website can be useful for a lot of people looking for an alternative to the liberally-biased Wikipedia, though not everyone will agree with everything on this site, not even all people who identify as "conservatives," but that doesn't mean they can't get something out of it. Shobson20 (talk) 20:11, 20 March 2018 (EDT)

Suggested rewording

"God is the sovereign creator and eternal ruler of all things and beings that exist, whether in the physical universe or in the spiritual realm (Heaven)."

"God is the sovereign creator and eternal ruler of all things and beings that exist, whether in the physical universe or in the spiritual realm, often times called Heaven."

DanK 00:00, 4 June 2010 (EDT)

why (Redirected from Deity) to the page god

is it not more logical to send anyone looking for Deity to other gods page (who tells you nothing about the other gods but rather what the bible say about them) or for that matter a page about Deities not the god page if this is the trustworthy encyclopedia would you not try to be some level of open minded --Kyo 23:49, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

Spelling error

"Deity" is misspelled ("diety") in the "Terminology" section. --LyleT 15:12, 5 September 2010 (EDT)

Minor misspelling

Under the header "Terminology", the word "diety". I checked the reference link, and there aren't any misspellings there.

Please fix to "deity". Thanks. ~ JonG ~ 21:24, 6 September 2011 (EDT)

Bias

Why do you claim trustworthiness yet try to pass your opinion off as fact? The article should start with "According to Christianity..." because then that wouldn't be biased at all

Why are you biased against God? Why are you biased against this website? Karajou 15:32, 27 June 2012 (EDT)

In case you don't understand Karajou's point, there is no such thing as being "unbiased" on this issue. If you said "According to Christianity..." then you inherently imply that Christianity is false, like Wikipedia does. CP does not pretend to be "neutral" like Wikipedia does (even though it is anything but) and admits its biases up front. That honesty makes it more trustworthy. "Neutrality" is an illusion. I think this cartoon explains it best: https://answersingenesis.org/media/cartoons/after-eden/neutral/ Shobson20 (talk) 20:27, 20 March 2018 (EDT)

Formatting issues

Instead of this:

<small>''This article is about the biblical God. For the term as used to refer to any divine being, see [[Other Gods]]''</small> [[Image:Alphaomega.jpg|thumb|200px|God is the Alpha and Omega, the first and last, the beginning and the ending]] {{cquote|'''Genesis 1:1'''<br />In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.}} {{trinity}}

It should be this: <small>''This article is about the biblical God. For the term as used to refer to any divine being, see [[Other Gods]]''</small> {{trinity}} [[Image:Alphaomega.jpg|thumb|200px|God is the Alpha and Omega, the first and last, the beginning and the ending]] {{cquote|'''Genesis 1:1'''<br />In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.}}

so that the template Trinity does not end up stuffed to the left of the image, thus stuffing the text of to the side. brenden 15:05, 9 December 2012 (EST)

Prager "University"

I want to put this video in the article: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApVYpBwXWLk --Alex00 13:57, 16 March 2013 (EDT)

"Prager `University'" is a media company operated by the conservative, or at least opinionated, broadcaster Dennis Prager. It is a 501(3)3, which means it may be a non-profit.

Perhaps it could be amalgamated with an entry on Trump University. The entry might be slugged "Conservative Universities."

Lord Fnord (talk) 14:59, November 10, 2021 (EST)

Comment and prompt for further work on this page about God.

Statements of God are profound and severely important. I advise "Be careful what you hear, for with the measure you use, it will be measured to you, and even more. Everyone who has will be given more, and from the one who is given much, much more will be demanded. From whomever does not have, even what he thinks he has will be taken away." Jesus Christ said, "I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God," and clearly explained, "My sheep know my voice and listen to me, and will not follow another but will even run away from the voice of a stranger. I know my sheep and my sheep know me, just as the Father knows me and I know the Father. Nobody can remove them from my hand. My Father, who is greater than all, has given them to me; nobody can remove them from my Father's hand. The Father and I are one," and "...When they look at me, they do not just see me, but the One who sent me," and "Do not believe me unless I do what my Father does. But even if you do not believe, at least believe the works/miracles that I have done in my Father's Name, so that you may know and understand that the Father is in me and I am in the Father." Therefore, Jesus Christ is clearly distinctly not God, but is God's "Only Begotten" Son: "For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son, so that whoever would believe in him will not perish but have eternal life." "Go back and report to John what you have seen and heard: the blind receive sight, the lame walk, those who have leprosy are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, and the good news is proclaimed to the poor. Blessed are those who do not stumble on account of me." (Matthew 11). So to restate: God and Jesus Christ alone are and is Trustworthy. Jesus Christ is not God, but is the Source of Purity to God who alone is Good. His eyes are fire. God calls him "My Presence" and "My Glory", as in "My Presence will go before you," and "Wait here until my Glory passes you by." Jesus Christ is the King of Glory who walks on the water. Do not lead astray those who have not yet seen or heard; the entire duty of a Christian is to point to Jesus Christ, just like God and Jesus Christ are doing. "May they be one in us so that the world may know that you sent me. I have loved them even as you have loved me, and I am sending them into the world as you have sent me into the world." And he explains further; and very succinctly with "My Kingdom is not of this world."

And so specifically, it is not right to presume away from what Jesus Christ explained. Jesus Christ is not God, so do not say that the Father is the Son. And who is the Holy Spirit? Jesus Christ explained: "I am sending you a Counselor who will be with you forever: The Spirit of Truth who will guide you into all of Truth. He will not speak on his own, but will speak only what he hears. The world cannot accept him because it neither sees him nor knows him, but you will know him and he will live within and among you. [...]"

I am paraphrasing; please familiarize yourself with these passages according to texts that have been properly preserved (I recommend Zondervan's NIV 1984 publication).

So now, please make the following changes to this page whose topic is most important.

God is the sovereign creator and eternal ruler of all things and beings that exist, whether in the physical universe or in the spiritual realm (Heaven).

Response: "Heaven is my throne and the Earth is my footstool." "But I will tell you who to fear: fear him who, after the death of the body, has the power to throw both the body and the soul into Hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him." "No one has gone into Heaven except for the one who came from Heaven." And Jesus Christ, in the flesh, is seated at the right hand of God. And he said, "All authority over Heaven and Earth has been given to me." So you should simply omit the second phrase.

Revision:

God is the sovereign creator and eternal ruler of all things and beings that exist.

And really, the whole first paragraph should say:

God is the God of Life who is the Sovereign Lord God Almighty whose throne is Heaven and whose footstool is The Earth. 
He is Spirit and unseen. He is the only true God; he created and creates all that ever was and is and will be, for he holds Existence within himself. 
As it is written, "Nothing can happen unless the Lord God Almighty has decreed it." He is ultimately in control and has the only real say as to what is and what happens within Existence.
"As the stars are higher than the Earth, so are my thoughts higher than your thoughts and my ways higher than your ways."
"Do not boast of wisdom, strength, or riches, but if you boast at all, boast only that you understand and know me, that I am the Lord who exercises Kindness, Justice and Righteousness
on The Earth, for in these things I delight."

But now I'm telling you people don't even know what Justice means. Justice means working for the betterment of everyone involved in a situation. It is to make better for all parties involved. It is the antithesis of revenge, where one is harmed. And what is Righteousness? Jesus Christ is Righteousness. There is none other.

You could then go on to explain how Jesus Christ is the Way to God, the Absolute Truth from God's Mouth, and Life and the Author of Life, the Source of Purity to God, The Good Shepherd, The Bright Morning Star, and so on. And you should explain the thoughts of God: what God does and what his work is as revealed to us by Jesus Christ the Teacher. And Jesus Christ is also working.

"And this is eternal life: that they would know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ who you have sent."

--Liquid Fire (talk) 09:13, 9 September 2015 (EDT)

Should this page be locked?

Browsing through the edit history, this looks like one of the most often vandalized pages, so maybe it should be locked to new users. Shobson20 (talk) 12:44, 18 March 2018 (EDT)

I actually asked Andy a few months ago to lock this page and a few others with similar histories, but he thought that it wasn't necessary to do so because there were still recent constructive edits. The downside outweighs the positive of doing so. --1990'sguy (talk) 21:00, 18 March 2018 (EDT)

Why doesn't CP use a "semi-protected" state like Wikipedia does? That way trolls could be kept out and users who have established good faith on the site could edit. Shobson20 (talk) 19:42, 20 March 2018 (EDT)

Probably because we don't allow IPs to edit in the first place. On Wikipedia, semi-protection usually protects pages from IPs and very new users. But it might be worth asking if we can establish a "medium-intensity" page protection. --1990'sguy (talk) 09:00, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

I just put light protection on it, which should slow down vandals. We can see how it works for a while, and perhaps make it permanent if it helps. If anyone else wants to be more aggressive with protection, then they are welcome to do so, but I generally don't like locking things up too much. --David B ^(TALK) 09:39, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

Alph and Omega

"God is the Alpha and Omega," it says on the main page.

I'm sure that's generally true, but shouldn't there be a note to reassure people that in the United States the conservatives' God is Q?

Lord Fnord (talk) 14:41, November 10, 2021 (EST)