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RobS is a non-conservative with weak positions and he is a lame debater. He needs to stop using templates to cover up people's text. He needs to stop reverting people rather than engage in civil debate.

RobS is a non-conservative with weak positions and he is a lame debater. He needs to stop using templates to cover up people's text. He needs to stop reverting people rather than engage in civil debate.

He is embarrassing himself and embarrassing the website.

You were right to strip him of his admin powers previously. Conservative (talk) 23:14, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

The root cause of the friction: There are sound arguments that communist China and Russia are heading towards decline. RobS disagrees. Rather than engage in civil debate, RobS is resorting to the ignoble tactics of using templates to cover up my text and using reversions. This isn't right. This isn't ChinaPedia or RussiaPedia.

And just to be clear, I am against the USA funding the Ukraine war. And unlike RobS, I have consistently said I was against the USA military having gargantuan military budgets. Instead, I am for the USA military protecting USA territory using a more limited budget. Conservative (talk) 23:26, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

User:Conservative needs to stop deleting Talk pages and other people's conversations. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:32, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

User:Conservative, because of his 15 year habit of deleting other editors' postings, as well as his own when he gets into a discussion and embarrasses himself, needs to be stripped of the Deletion key. It is a serious lack of editing in good faith. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:38, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Your use of templates to cover up the text of other editors that you disagree with needs to end. So does the use of reversions and the use of misleading titles of talk page titles. Conservapedia does have civility rules and you are violating them.

Key point: RobS, you implored me to work with you to come up with expanded civility rules which I did. You did this because you asserted that NorthWest is acting uncivil. And now you are going off the charts when it comes to incivility. Conservative (talk) 23:44, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

You use Deletion, not Templates. Which does more harm in destroying editors' confidence that their voice will be heard, and their time is not wasted? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:53, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, it brings me no joy to call you a "lame debater" with "weak positions", but when you engage in these illegitimate and lowbrow tactics, what else am I going to conclude? Conservative (talk)

I dunno, that you act childish, maybe? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:54, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

As I just noted elsewhere, Nishant recently upbraided you for engaging in personal attacks and other rude and boorish behavior. He did no such thing with me. Please exercise some self-awareness as it is needed. Conservative (talk) 23:55, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Then you run to Andy, "Mom, he's being mean to me!" when your lame debate points and tactics don't hold up. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:57, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

"rude and boorish?" look who the kettle is calling a honkey. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 23:59, July 1, 2023 (EDT)

Deleting Talk pages and other people's postings when your "lame debate" and "weak positions" don't hold up is rude and boorish. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:00, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Making an assertion that Templates are worse than Deletion is lame, weak, rude, and boorish,. 00:02, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

I don't use templates to cover up people's text. I am calling you out on being a "weak debater" with "lame positions" who uses unethical tactics. It's sad I have to shame you to this degree, but unfortunately, more modest measures were not working. Conservative (talk) 00:02, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

"Nishant did no such thing with me." Yah, cause no one wants to engage in discussion with you because of your rude and disrespectful tactics toward other users by deleting their postings when they show you up as a "lame debater" with "weak positions". RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:06, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

"Unethical?" I do not Delete other users postings in debate or discussion. I use Templates when it's off-topic or incivil. You unethically use the Deletion key, constantly, daily. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:09, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Every morning when I wake up, I see 2 or 3 dozen Deletions of whole talk pages in the Deletion log. And if you are only Deleting your own words and content, what the heck is the matter with you that do not think first before uploading? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:12, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

You are not telling the truth. And your disgraceful tactics and unwillingness to defend your positions that China and Russia are not headed for a big amount of decline is evidence of this. Conservative (talk) 00:14, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) I sit there for days or weeks waiting for a response from a good faith editor I was in discussion with, but it never comes cause they left permanently after you deleted a conversation. User:K had the same habit.

And the excuse, "I was Deleting vandalism" ain't gonna fly; we haven't had a serious vandal attack in nearly a year now. But you learned many bad habits as an Admin, and you have a personal bias against listening to or cooperating with other people. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:18, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

My challenge to RobS: I challenge you to defend your positions that China and Russia are not headed for a big amount of decline. I don't think you can do it. Prove me wrong.

RobS, I challenge you to defend your positions that China and Russia are not headed for a big amount of decline. I don't think you can do it. Prove me wrong.

So far the main thing you do is to use templates to cover up my text and use reversions. Man up and defend your views. Conservative (talk) 00:12, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

That is not the purpose of this page.

RobS, I am going to help you out. Here are the essays: Essay: The future of Russia is bright and Essay: The future of China is bright and Essay: Why Russia is not heading for a future big decline and Essay: Why China is not headed for a big decline.

Go at it RobS. Even if you are incapable of forming convincing essays on these topics, it would be more noble than the disgraceful tactics that you are currently and cowardly engaging in. Conservative (talk) 00:20, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) I don't give a crap. Just cause a nation may be in decline is not an excuse to make war against them. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:23, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Careful, I am about to call your views "fascist" if you want to persist in this line of rhetoric and reasoning. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:23, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

I'm done. You are not acting reasonably. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:23, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

If you don't give a crap, then why are you engaging in bullying tactics when someone points out that Russia and China are headed towards a big amount of decline. You obviously do care about protecting your pet theories - even if you have to use illegitimate tactics to do so. Conservative (talk) 00:26, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Because people with fascist attitudes think that justifies their making war against them. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:28, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Because if they are in decline, that must make others "superior", huh? RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:29, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

May 2, 2014: Russia has a subpar replacement rate, so that legitimizes American taxpayers hiring Nazis to burn them alive.[1]

By the way, Conservapedia uses an American flag in its logo. If you get all hot and bothered when someone says that the USA will be the predominant power for the foreseeable future (Partly due to China's and Russia's big future declines) and feel you must use illegimate tactics to protect your pet theories, perhaps you should start RobSpedia. Conservative (talk) 00:31, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) Trust me, after spending many years studying the Holocaust, you are led to the question, "How was this possible?", which leads to another intensive study of cultural and historical attitudes and habits going back many decades and generations. And I do not like what I see, at all, about your attitudes toward Russian fertility legitimiizing the Maidan Revolution or the NATO war in Ukraine. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:37, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Again, I'm out. You don't listen to other people. You act childish. And you are not reasonable. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:37, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

I am glad that you admitted that you can't defend your weak positions that Russia/China are not headed for big declines. Was that so hard? You should have done so earlier. Conservative (talk) 00:53, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

You need to stop your veiled intent in legitimizing America's illegal actions toward Russia and China. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 01:05, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, I don't need to agree with you. Get that through your very stubborn and arrogant attitude. Conservative (talk) 01:22, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

I have personally studied these issues, probably since the Adolf Eichmann trial when I was 7 years old. Members of my own family have been involved. I will draw a distinction between Nazi attitudes, and Nazi views. I will say that it is possible for a person to have Nazi attitudes without realizing it, or holding Nazi views. For 16 months you stated over and over again, practically daily, as many as 3 to 6 times daily, to paraphrase, "Russians deserve to die cause with their low fertility rate, they and their culture are gonna die off anyway." I do not regard that as an intelligent or intellectual discussion. I call that a Nazi attitude. And despite the constant resistance and stubborn refusal to engage in thoughtful, meaningful discussion, not necessarily a Nazi view. But it comes close.

If you do not understand the problems of your taxpayer dollars paying Nazis to kill Russians, it is not enough to say, "I don't support either side." You need to make your case one time on fertility, and simply refrain from further comment or discussion. Don't troll me from talk page to talk page spewing a Nazi attitude that low Russian fertility rates cancels your responsibility as a citizen for paying Nazis to kill Russians. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 06:04, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

And saying that I, RobS, am not a conservative, essentially equates conservativism with nazism. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 06:21, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

The more I talk to you, the more I understand how National Socialism ended up on the "Right" side of the political spectrum. And that is something I have denied since the mid-1970s; I can present the diffs that I helped pioneer that discussion in Wikipedia in 2004, a debate which has come a long way in gathering acceptance the past 19 years, and immeasurably farther since the 1970s.

In 1976, I was called a fascist by Marxists for daring to stand up in University class and say that the Soviet Union had no legitimate claim to the Ukraine. My, how times have changed. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 06:45, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

And no, I categorically reject your definition of conservativism - that being a conservative means being, willfully, stubborn and ignorant. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 07:11, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Collectively, the whole Unites States had "Nazi attitudes" during the Second World War, but not necessarily "Nazi views". It was still the segregation era. After the war, as the horrors of the Holocaust gradually became more widely known, with the Civil Rights movement Nazi attitudes and Nazi views were gradually purged. However, my own experience is on a more personal level, given the war itself was a race war between Germans and Slavs, and I'm a half breed. I have dealt up front and personal with Nazi attitudes and Nazi views in my own family and among in-laws. Some of them thought Hitler was the greatest thing since sliced bread in the 1930s. So I ain't winging it. I ain't copying commie BS from that era or our own. I know what is, and I know how to deal with it. And my best advice to you is to just shut up with your 'fertility" BS. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:33, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

You are Man-child, a 60-year-old Man-child. You spew racist crap about Russian fertility, and at the age of 60 never followed God's command to be fruitful and multiply. I'm sick of it. I'm sick of your crap that doesn't even reach the level of pseudo-intellectual discussion. I am sick of youe childish, willful, stubbornness and willful ignorance.

God bless you, and Good luck. I've said more than enough. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 08:45, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, you wrote: "For 16 months you stated over and over again, practically daily, as many as 3 to 6 times daily, to paraphrase, "Russians deserve to die cause with their low fertility rate, they and their culture are gonna die off anyway."

Your intellectual dishonesty via your "Adam Schiff like" non-paraphrases are a complete joke and you are totally embarrass yourself.

You hate reality. Since at least August of 2022[2], I have predicted that both Russia and China were headed for a big decline (See: Essay: Why I am not bullish on Russia's future and Essay:Skepticism about China remaining a global power and Essay: The United States will be the leading power in the world for the foreseeable future). As 2023 has progressed, the data has been rolling in indicating that my predictions are more and more coming true. And in actuality, I started talking about the decline of China since 2021 when their real estate crisis started occurring.[3]

In addition, very much before the war in Ukraine, I was an early proponent of the USA cutting back its military spending and reducing its national debt. On the other hand, you were totally against this idea. The huge military spending before the war in Ukraine helped set the conditions for the war in Ukraine. Namely, the USA heavily armed the Ukrainians before the war in Ukraine (But it was of insufficient volume to defeat the Russians in a war of attrition. A war of attrition partly due to the largeness of the size of Ukraine, the patriotism of the Ukrainians and the antipathy that many Ukrainians have towards Russia. In modern war, it is very difficult to be an occupier due to fourth generation warfare.).

It is very upsetting to you that I have been more correct about geopolitics than you (This is not a high bar to clear). It really burns you up. This is very childish behavior. Please grow up and pare back your ego and intolerance. Conservative (talk) 09:20, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

bla bla bla you're off topic already. Simply put, I do not hold to the racist of views toward Russia the you, Joe Biden, Nancy Pelosi, Adam Schiff, Macron and others hold.

And China has nothing, nothing, nothing whatsoever to do with this discussion. But in your sub-pseudo intellectual style of discussion (it doesn't even rise to the level of "debate"), you spam discussion pages with irrelevant, extraneous material that may impress yourself as "intelligent", but confuses the heck out of anyone else. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:10, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

If I was in discussion with anyone else on this page, and you inserted an extraneous, off topic spam like you just did above, I'd scroll it up. And that is better, and more respectful, than deleting the page to hide your nonsense, as you routinely do. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:15, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Racism! Racism! Racism! Your continual obsession with race is rather sad and pathetic. And much to your dismay, in my collection of music at Conservapedia, I have a collection of Russian/Slavic music and Russian Orthodox music.[4] [5] Conservative (talk) 10:16, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

It's impossible to have a straightforward conversation with you. You spam the page with extraneous nonsense. I keep telling myself I'm just not gonna even try anymore. One of these days or times I'll do that. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:18, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Same thing with phone conversations. You take 10 minutes to recite redundant crap. You don't listen when others speak. You get set off by certain trigger words, etc. "Screw it" is what I think, cause it's not worth the time trying to reason with you that your stubborn, "set in concrete" understanding of certain words may only be your own impression, and not necessarily someone, or everybody else. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:25, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Same thing with Talk page postings. A certain "trigger word" will set you off to spam other people's discussions with all sorts of irrelevant crap. It is very rude and disrespectful. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:27, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

You know, just because you can insert yourself in other people's conversations, does not mean you should disrupt the flow. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:30, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Are you referring to the recent phone conversations where you acted like "Old Yeller", constantly interrupted and falsely accused me of promoting Nazism? Is it any wonder that I removed your phone number from my contact list?

RobS, as far as off wiki conversations, unfortunately for you, I have far more polite, mature and rational people to talk to than you. So it was a very easy choice to remove you from my cell phone contact list. Social science data indicates that one's social contacts in terms of how much they influencea person is much broader than one's immediate social circle. So unfortunately for you, I gave you the heave-ho and I have no regrets in doing so. Conservative (talk) 10:37, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

Good. May God have mercy on all of you. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:38, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

You are trolling again over on the Community Portal page; not only do you NOT understand the basics of how a wiki works, you refuse to cooperate with other Admins to make it run smoothly, and build a community of editors. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 10:48, July 2, 2023 (EDT)

I am not going to cooperate with you on reverting my civil discussion. This is not RobSpedia - no matter how much you wish it was. Conservative (talk) 10:49, July 2, 2023 (EDT)