Talk:Atheism and love

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Ah Cons! How sad it is that you have to quote mine the subject of love.

Here's a quote, Cons; something said by my wife who suddenly pressed herself up against my back as I was cooking bacon the other morning...
Thou art my life, my love, my heart,
The very eyes of me,
And hast command of every part,
To live and die for thee.

Robert Herrick at breakfast time is a fine thing, and it is especially welcome after forty years together. But not surprising because that is what we are Cons, and what we always have been.

Religion has had nothing to do with it. AlanE 23:55, 14 November 2014 (EST)

AlanE, my response

1) Provide an atheistic explanation of love

2) Show me why the social science and historical data relevant to atheism/love that I provided isn't accurate/relevant

3) If atheism is such an embodiment of romantic love, why do women join Western World atheism to a significantly lesser degree? See: Atheism and women. AlanE, which is the bigger market for romance novels? Women or men?

4) Christmas is lovely holiday filled with good cheer (thanks to Christendom) and atheists consistently try to spoil it! And atheists have no holidays to boot! See: War on Christmas Conservative 00:29, 15 November 2014 (EST)

Been busy, Cons. Hoped to answer your questions when I got up this morning but family things took priority. (As they do.) Now I am back on I see the article has become basically a copy of numerous other "Atheism and....." articles. (You could copy and paste for your country, mate.) So there's not a lot of point in continuing my line of argument.
Except to ask... Where did I say "atheism is...an embodiment of romantic love"?
And to say that the Evans family takes the tradition of Christmas very seriously and you would find our celebrations truly Dickensian on the day itself. AlanE 21:13, 15 November 2014 (EST)
AlanE, one more thing. Evolutionism cannot explain the origin of sex/males/females. See: SEX AND EVOLUTION - An Embarrassing Conundrum. Without the origination of sex/males/females there is no romantic love! Conservative (talk) 01:02, 20 January 2016 (EST)

How about

Some new photos for your articles, you use the same ones over and over.--Tomqua 02:10, 15 November 2014 (EST)

Thanks for the input. I posted a new picture to CP and featured it in the article. Conservative 02:53, 15 November 2014 (EST)

New pictures added to wiki as per your request

A child in nontheistic Thailand where the nontheistic form of Buddhism called the Theravada school of Buddhism is prevalent. In 2010, the Pew Research Forum indicated that 93.2% of the people of Thailand were Buddhists. [1]

Per capita atheists and agnostics in America give significantly less to charity than theists even when church giving is not counted for theists (See: Atheism and uncharitableness).
Saint Valentine's Day cake. Christians do good deeds through the grace of God and the compassion that is taught in the Bible. Going to heaven is simply the icing on the cake.
Clever. Devious indeed. Troll south-east Asia and choose a Buddhist (read nontheist) country for your new picture. I haven't been to Thailand, Cons. but I have been to India and, believe me, it is just as bad once you get off the tourist track.AlanE 21:28, 15 November 2014 (EST)
There is spiritual darkness in both atheism and polytheism.
But there appears to be more spiritual and moral darkness to atheism. For example, I could not write an article entitled Hinduism and mass murder. And Ghandhi served a role model for non-violent resistance. On the other hand, atheists have been the biggest mass murders in history. See: Atheism and mass murder. And the secular left is known for engaging in senseless/inappropriate violence.
In addition, I could and did write articles on Atheism and pornography and Atheism and child pornography and Atheism, pederasty and NAMBLA did so quite easily. And Thailand has a strong reputation for child trafficking and for decadent homosexual tourists visiting there to prey on children, but India does nave a strong reputation for this.
Furthermore, I did have Indian/Hindu housemates in college and soon I will be doing some recreational activity with a Hindu neighbor. On the whole, Hindus are peaceable and polite. On the other hand, atheists are known for their profanity. See: Atheism and profanity
In addition, the Hindus from India may like to bellyache about the Brits (who were social Darwinists and social Darwinism played a role in both WWI and WWII) and their exploitation of India, but they readily admit that the Brits did have a lot of good influence on them (legal system, etc. etc. And Judeo-Christianity played a role in the development of common law). And the USA had a good influence on both atheistic Japan after WWII and also had a good influence on atheistic China and a signification amount of the Christianization of China is due to Chinese students going back to China. And Christianization has been good for China economically due to the effect of the Protestant work ethic within their country.[2] And the cultural heritage of the Protestant work ethic has been good for atheistic Germany/Scandinavia/Northern Europe (but their moral decline on the whole after the waning of Christianity in their respective geographic areas has been ugly. See: Bestiality and Sweden Netherlands and bestiality and Denmark and bestiality and Bestiality and Germany).
Next, you did not acknowledge/address the points (points 1-4) I made in my previous post to you. Atheists do have a reputation for being prideful!!!! See: Atheism and arrogance.
Lastly, you will not find a single person who had more of a positive effect on history than Jesus Christ and even atheists are often reluctant to disparage Jesus in debates. Conservative 22:29, 15 November 2014 (EST)


Yes Cons, I did acknowledge your points - see above - I didn't answer them though.
And while I'm at it, stop carrying on like a broken record. It's embarrassing.
And by the way, the "social Darwinist" Brits came into into India well before Darwin. Over 200 years in fact.
And for your last point, I agree that Christ has had a positive effect on history. You may, however, like to research the Thirty Years' War's impact on the population of northern Europe.(Just saying, Cons,)
Cheers AlanE 23:05, 15 November 2014 (EST)

Thanks for the correction about the Brits and for other acknowledgments. In addition, history does suggest that social Darwinism being introduced upon the Brits probably did increase their exploitative human tendencies.

I/we wrote my atheism articles due to the religious discrimination/repression that atheists engage in and due to their arrogance of the New Atheists and many other atheists. Plus, the negative effect that atheism has on the world. But I/we can learn from anyone. And that includes that nontheist Sun Tzu who famously advised to attack what is weak when it comes to the opposition/defenses. And there is a whole lot of weakness to atheism on the Atheism and love front!!!! Sun Tzu also advised that it is not good to engage in endless war and to address matters in the most strategic/efficient/quickest way possible. In the next 30-85 years, I/we see global desecularization taking a large toll on adherence to atheism and that includes atheism in the Western World (I/we agree with Eric Kaufmann's work on this matter). I/we wish that atheists/evolutionists did not use the power of the state for indoctrination/repression (see: Atheist indoctrination), but unfortunately they do. And I/we think that Christians should engage in critiques/apologetics in relation to atheism in order to help speed its continuing global collapse.

Lastly, from the atheistic Wikipedia (founded by an atheist and an agnostic): "Initially a war between Protestant and Catholic states in the fragmenting Holy Roman Empire, it gradually developed into a more general conflict involving most of the great powers of Europe,[15] becoming less about religion and more a continuation of the France–Habsburg rivalry for European political pre-eminence." (bolding emphasis added). Conservative 23:31, 15 November 2014 (EST)

Well done. Yes. That is what the Thirty Years' War was and what it became. Why you have to recite the ideology or lack of of your source I find strange. I have never found it necessary to dig into the background of C V Wedgewood who gave me my first insights into the war half a century ago.
And please, Cons, stop this silly I/we business. It doesn't work. AlanE 00:25, 16 November 2014 (EST)

Citing testimony from the opposition (what the legal profession calls hostile/adverse witness testimony) is always useful - especially when many atheists engage in the genetic fallacy.

Second, you may not want to think that more than one person uses the User: Conservative account, yet it has been pointed out the footnoting style of the editing from the account has varied and there are doubts that the individual/individuals who created the homosexuality article also created the Atheist actions against homosexuals article (partly due to the footnoting style and partly due to the content). I/we do find it humorous that so much wrongheaded energy has been devoted to "internet armchair psychoanalyzing" the editor(s) of the User: Conservative account by some individuals who are obviously incompetent.

It reminds me of when C.S. Lewis wrote:

"Since then I have watched with some care similar imaginary histories both of my own books and of books by friends whose real history I knew. [e.g., J.R.R. Tolkien was also one of Lewis' friends.] Reviewers, both friendly and hostile, will dash you off such histories with great confidence; will tell you what public events had directed the author's mind to this or that, what other authors had influenced him, what his over-all intention was, what sort of audience he principally addressed, why - and when - he did everything.

Now I must first record my impression; then, distinct from it, what I can say with certainty. My impression is that in the whole of my experience not one of these guesses has on any one point been right; that the method shows a record of 100 percent failure.

You would expect that by mere chance they would hit as often as they miss. But it is my impression that they do no such thing. I can't remember a single hit. But as I have not kept a careful record my mere impression may be mistaken. What I think I can say with certainty is that they are usually wrong."[3] Conservative 03:34, 16 November 2014 (EST)

AlanE, someone who has edited using the User: Conservative account used to have a pastor from Australia. pOn the whole, you have been cordial with me/us which is appreciated. And cordiality is something I/we have found that is common among Australians along with a sense of humor. If more people were like you, perhaps the User: Conservative account would be less mysterious. Have a good day, mate. :)Conservative 04:18, 16 November 2014 (EST)
Thanks Conservative, I enjoy your articles but I find any article that shows a photo of Peter Singer to be a turn off. He is to say the least, and from a totally platonic POV, unattractive.--Tomqua 14:27, 16 November 2014 (EST)
PS. When I toured The USA some 20 years back I was often mistaken for an Aussie, and not the "whinging pom" that I am :)--Tomqua 14:35, 16 November 2014 (EST)

These pictures have nothing to do with "atheism and love"

... except for the brain picture, where love is perceived and experienced, of course. It is almost a "retarded" thing, to create an article about "love", and then post pictures about "hatred and violence". It is almost a "retarded" thing, to create an article about "atheism", and then post pictures relating to a religion (such as posting Christian imagery on the page). I'm sure you guys are aware, but atheism and Christianity are not the same thing. Just a heads up. Humanperson (talk) 23:07, 4 September 2015 (EDT)

Thanks for your input. I added about 3 images to the article due to your input. Conservative (talk) 14:19, 20 January 2016 (EST)
Furthermore, a popular search engine beginning with a G, lists two Conservapedia graphics in the top image search results (the first page of image search results) for the term "Atheism and love" as far as the USA region search results.
Next, the atheism in any given region is significantly shaped by the religion that is dominant in that area as the atheism is generally a reaction to a culture's religion. And Christianity is the dominant religion in the Western World and is also the world's largest religion (in terms of number of adherents). So having some Christian imagery which is related to the page's content is appropriate. And a search engine beginning with a G concurs! :)
In addition, for some articles it helps to contrast a concept with its opposite. So again, the Christian imagery is appropriate. Conservative (talk) 14:16, 20 January 2016 (EST)
God is love. Atheism is the worldview with the highest body count in terms of murder/democide. See: Atheism and mass murder. I hope that clarifies things for you.Conservative (talk) 01:12, 5 September 2015 (EDT)