Talk:Conservative quotes in Bible

How do we define "conservative" and "liberal" in the context of the Bible?

For example, is James the brother of Jesus "liberal" for this following passage in his Epistle?

“	Behold, the hire of the labourers who have reaped down your fields, which is of you kept back by fraud, crieth: and the cries of them which have reaped are entered into the ears of the Lord of sabaoth.	”
—James 5:4

How about when Jesus and Paul condemn love of money?

“	No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.	”
—Matthew 6:24

“	For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.	”
—1 Timothy 6:10

I think it's pointless to try to determine which Bible authors were more "conservative" and/or which passages provide a more "conservative" message. Conservatism is grounded in the principles of the Bible, period, not more so or less so in any particular section(s). —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 16:12, May 28, 2023 (EDT)

And is Mark conservative while Matthew liberal? How about John? —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Sunday, 16:55, May 28, 2023 (EDT)

Basically, to conclude my brief points, there's no sections in the Bible which necessarily stand out in some stronger conservative nature, a notion which would create the corollary that the Bible itself is divided between differing themes, some of which lean conservative while others liberal by comparison with one another. At the core of the issue, there is no "conservative Bible" or "liberal Bible," even if various forms of distortions exist. There is simply the Holy Bible, period. —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Monday, 00:09, May 29, 2023 (EDT)

Or what James says, If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally,,,. it's a concept we should be teaching and advocating for young people. RobS^{Give Peace a chance} 00:45, May 29, 2023 (EDT)

LT, you make good points. I'm open to the possibility that there are a few liberal verses in the Bible. Liberals have their favorite quotes, and I think Pete Buttigieg quoted one at a Dem presidential debate in 2019. But I don't think there's any way to get around how conservative Paul was, for example.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 02:59, May 30, 2023 (EDT)

Okay, so Buttigieg Proverbs 14:31 to promote a mandatory federal $15/hour minimum wage, and the verse reads:

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He that oppresseth the poor reproacheth his Maker: but he that honoureth him hath mercy on the poor.

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It would the wrong approach in this instance to think that it's the verse which is "liberal" and Buttigieg who simply applies its supposedly "liberal" message. Rather, on the issue of the minimum wage itself, Buttigieg is plainly ignorant and incorrectly applies the verse to defend excessive bloated government masked as "compassion." After all, higher minimum wages inherently give no net benefit on workers; if an employer finds it most suitable for an entry-level worker doing unskilled labor to be paid $10/hour for working 30 hours a week, raising the minimum wage to $15/hour means the hours are cut down to 20 (assuming after all, that for the unskilled job, the employer can only pay $300/week for it); the employee garners no benefit from the new law, which only hurts the employer. IOWs, once you understand the basic math behind minimum wage laws, it's not hard to see why Buttigieg is a liar of his father the devil.

Oh, that reminds me, John 8:44 is the standard boogeyman used by average godless leftists to paint the New Testament as "antisemitic" because it's misused by neo-Nazis and various Jew-haters alike. Does this mean that Christians should refrain from using John 8:44 because a few individuals abuse the verse? Obviously not, since "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness." (2 Timothy 3:16) Is Exodus 21 "liberal" because some leftists use it to justify abortion? Again, no. The neo-Marxists' abuse of Exodus 21 to justify abortion is basically no different from the neo-Nazis' abuse of John 8:44 to justify the Pittsburgh synagogue shooting. Scripture itself is not liberal, just perceived so by people who don't understand it. Peter sums it up well:

“	And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.	”
—2 Peter 3:15–16

When people twist Scripture to their own destruction, whether they're minimum wage purveyors, standard pro-abort activists, or pogrom perpetrators, the right approach is to steadfastly defend Scripture from their misuse, not cower from the verse(s) that got abused out of fear that applying them will result in association fallacy slanders by a banditti of scoffers who walk after their own lusts. (2 Peter 3:3) —LT ^{(Matthew 26:52)} Tuesday, 11:31, May 30, 2023 (EDT)