Talk:Essay:What the Covid Shot Does to Your Blood: 4 M.D.s speak

Toxicity is always in the dose. I am not about to rip out my amalgam fillings. And on a hot day, I am not going to refuse a nice big glass of ice-cool, chlorinated, tap water.

And medicine is like a business in that if the benefits outweigh the costs/risks, you move forward. For example, if you are too chicken to get a shingles vaccination, you probably deserve to get shingles. "Cowards die a thousand deaths before they die, the valiant die but once." - William Shakespeare. Conservative (talk) 00:44, October 17, 2021 (EDT)

Every single country's medical establishments have approved Covid vaccinations. That's a lot of M.D.s speaking. You are going to have to win on the merits of the case and not merely on having 4 M.D.s speaking. Vaccinated states in the United States have less Covid-19 morbidity per capita than unvaccinated states. There are unvaccinated states in the USA that are having their ICUs filled. The evidence is in. The medical establishment juries around the world have ruled. The anti-vaxxers lost their case. Conservative (talk) 00:54, October 17, 2021 (EDT)

Follow the money. There's 100s of billions of dollars to be made in mandatory vaccination.--Andy Schlafly (talk) 13:19, October 17, 2021 (EDT)

Amen. I don't know how you can ignore the scientific evidence when one group of paid scientists say its ok, and another group of experienced professionals loyal to the Hippocratic Oath point out the harm. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:43, October 17, 2021 (EDT)

Harvard Study: Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 14:06, October 17, 2021 (EDT)

Vaccination still lowers morbidity if you get a coronavirus infection. Also, looking at the abstract of the journal article, I would point out that while Israel has a high vaccination rate of adults, it has a very large percentage of young people compared to other nations thanks to religious Jews. So I have my doubts about the design of that study perhaps. In addition, Israel was very early to vaccinate so there are seeing the fading of the effectiveness of the vaccine earlier which is why they are going on a booster drive now. Conservative (talk) 16:47, October 17, 2021 (EDT)

Are we reading the same report? It says COVID infection INCREASES in countries with high vaccination rates.

The sole reliance on vaccination as a primary strategy to mitigate COVID-19 and its adverse consequences needs to be re-examined....Such course correction, especially with regards to the policy narrative, becomes paramount with emerging scientific evidence on real world effectiveness of the vaccines."

RobS^{Free Kyle!} 17:01, October 17, 2021 (EDT)

I will take more time to read it. I was under some deadlines before. Conservative (talk) 22:09, October 17, 2021 (EDT)

I will let others read the medical journal article and come to their own conclusions, but it does make some good points. I would caution about making too much of the Israeli data because many Jews in Israel are very strict about various aspects of their religion such as gathering. And they are a very tight-knit community. Unfortunately, these things increase their Covid-19 infection rates. One reason why Dr. Vladimir Zelenko came up with Vladimir Zelenko's coronavirus treatment was that the Jews in his area of New York were getting sick in high numbers. Bottom line the Israel data may be skewing the data somewhat due to the factors I mentioned. Conservative (talk) 22:28, October 17, 2021 (EDT)

We can't just talk about "covid morbidity"; the phrase has become meaningless. The Covid vaccine only protects against the original novel SARS-CoV-2 virus - not it's variants. So a Covid diagnosis or "death rate" statistics have become meaningless if they do not break down which virus or variant we are talking about.

The original SARS-CoV-2 pandemic is past. It is behind us. The evidence now suggests that the experimental mRNA vaccines themselves are producing the varients. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:36, October 17, 2021 (EDT)

Not true. Pfizer's Covid-19 reduces morbidity for the variants too. I gave that data previously. However, I cannot recall if the data I gave was solely for Pfizer or for the popular coronavirus vaccines in the Western World.Conservative (talk) 22:40, October 17, 2021 (EDT)

Well, I've never seen or heard of anything like that. The point is, stats like "covid cases" and "covid morbidity" are meaningless unless it breaks down SARS-CoV-2 and all 185 known variants. And face reality, the likelihood of vaccines for all 185 known variants as of now being developed anytime soon is slim. Nobody likes being the bearer of bad news, but this is the reality that governments and pharmaceutical companies have invested the public with so much hope in. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:24, October 17, 2021 (EDT)

It's the whole, "science will save us" mentality being put on trial. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:28, October 17, 2021 (EDT)

God did not create Covid, neither did nature. So we're on our own to figure out how to save ourselves from our own machinations, again. Just like the nuclear bomb, which at one time was the answer to all our prayers for world peace. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 23:31, October 17, 2021 (EDT)