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It's possible it's a good faith editor simply declaring their experience or expertise in a given field under their real name. It is doubtful someone in New York or Illinois is going to call her to unclog a stuffed toilet. Foghorn Leghorn^{Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?} 06:12, October 9, 2026 (EDT)

Check the moderation log. There are at least three bots running campaigns against CP. Two of them are SEO bots, creating an account with a brief write-up on the user page, and a single link to a website or page which someone is paying to promote. The other SEO bot creates a user page with a link as well, but then also posts an barely-readable article which makes no coherent sense and includes HTML tags which are incompatible with Wiki Markup. The "article" sometimes includes promoted links as well, but often not, so as to lend credence to the idea that this bot account is legitimate. And yes, I said at least three bots. There is at least one more bot, mass-registering accounts for future use, but letting the accounts "age" in hopes that makes them look more trustworthy when they are eventually used.

To ensure I'm not blocking anyone legitimate, I'm allowing the mass-registrations. 98% of them are held by spam bots, but they haven't done anything yet, so I don't want to risk blocking a real user who is lost in the horde.--DavidB4 ^(TALK) 18:51, October 9, 2026 (EDT)

And by the way, the article content, and the text in the "bio" are irrelevant. They are just filler to make the account look legitimate. The only goal is to publish the link. Then the bot can grab a screenshot, and charge the website or service for one additional posting of the promoted link. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 18:58, October 9, 2026 (EDT)

Thanks for clarifying that. Foghorn Leghorn^{Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?} 03:20, October 10, 2026 (EDT)

Thus saith China's technology! Let the world know that April 2022 was not a pivotal month for decades to come!

China is an ally of Russia. Personal remark removed Personal remark removed

Summary of Deepseek's analysis

Verdict:

"Your essay is more sound. It is more precise in its claim, more rigorous in its use of evidence, more systematic in its structure, more honest about uncertainty, and more serious in its engagement with the strongest opposing arguments. Personal remark removed

Personal remark removed It means that, as an essay—as a piece of reasoning designed to establish a conclusion—yours is the stronger work."

Conservapedians, my essay has more machismo! On behalf of all reasonable people in the world, I declare victory! Olé! Olé! Olé!

Conservapedians, my essay has more machismo!

I trust this further clarifies matters. Conservative (talk) 08:35, October 20, 2026 (EDT)

You should probably be aware, that I cannot consider a talking toaster, to be the autoritative voice of truth. LLMs are useful tools, but so is fire, and I don't trust fire to always do the right thing, either.

By the way, when you are copy-and-pasting this essay into talk pages, you are also adding those talk pages to categories they don't belong in. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 19:01, October 20, 2026 (EDT)

I agree with you that AIs are not the authoritive voice of truth. When I use them to create content, I fairly often use 6 AIs and part of the reason is to have AIs check AIs in terms of error checking and/or gap analysis. I then check the content for errors too. So I look at AIs as tools, but not authoritative voices of truth. At the same time, Personal remark removed

I also treat search engines as useful tools and not authoritative voices of truth. Conservative (talk) 20:08, October 20, 2026 (EDT)

Someone being more a fanboy of those hostile powers than their own technology is, does say a lot. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 20:23, October 20, 2026 (EDT)

DavidB4, the intelligence in artificial intelligence reflects the intelligence of the programmers and its obviously not the intelligence of the machines. Like a toaster is designed to toast. A chess program is designed to win chess games. ChatGPT/Claude is designed by programmers to write content and do other things as well. The general trend of AI is that it is getting better. Conservative (talk) 12:24, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

Take a look at this article: The Multi‑Model Writing Pipeline: How Different AIs Excel at Different Cognitive Jobs. Conservative (talk) 12:30, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

DISCLOSURE: The "article" user:Conservative links to is one of his own blogs.

User:Conservative is in the habit of spamming his Essay content into a blogspot account to bolster his arguments when his content proves unacceptable for a regular Conservapedia mainspace article. Foghorn Leghorn^{Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?} 18:47, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

Another point: I have noticed that when a person engages in motivated reasoning an AI often can beat them in terms providing superior information. Conservative (talk) 12:56, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

Take a look at the false premises User:Conservative inputs in AI

RobSmith never 'praised' Deepseek. RobSmith is not any kind of an expert to compare one AI system with another, nor has he ever used Deepseek. RobSmith simply added a link from the US Department of Defense to refute User:Conservative's racist & deceptive Essay that China was incapable of innovation. See talk

Someone has a reading comprehension problem. The article in question is Essay: Communist China’s quixotic quest to innovate: A statist economy can’t make creativity greatly blossom. The article focuses on "A statist economy can't make creativity greatly blossum". To my knowledge the Taiwanese Chinese are very much making their creativity greatly blossum. Conservative (talk) 13:57, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

The point is, I never "praised" or "favored" Deepseek {see talk). You lie and spam vicious personal attacks. Foghorn Leghorn^{Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?} 14:03, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

I quote: "The advantage of DeepSeek, as I understand it, is that it is just a prototype (meaning it's far from a finished product and allows for many many future innovations) and is much cheaper. And a "high income" country will never be able to compete with the cost of it. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 00:25, January 29, 2025 (EST)"

Last time I checked, companies compete on more than just cost (Starbucks) - although cost can be a competitive factor as well (Walmart). Conservative (talk) 14:08, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

Okay, you got me there. But that's a subjective interpretation of "praise". Most people agree a cheaper product has advantages.

Again, you pointedly state China cannot compete. Foghorn Leghorn^{Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?} 14:15, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

Question: if China's efforts to innovate are "Quixotic", why then did the US Navy ban usage of Deepseek?

My educated guess is that the USA Navy banned usage of Deepseek for the same reason that the USA banned Huawei. Programmers can build sneaky ways to monitor activity and you don't want spying on your military that is preventable. Chinese companies have to accede to the demands of the Chinese state.

You wrote: "Most people agree a cheaper product has advantages." This is untrue and violates Management 101, Marketing 101 and Sales 101. "No, competing on price is rarely the best long-term course of action for a company. While it can drive short-term volume, it often triggers a "race to the bottom" that erodes profit margins and damages brand value."[2] Sales managers typically say build value in a prospect's mind and don't compete on price. Compete on value instead. However, this is true: Most companies agree that a cheaper product has advantages in some cases.

Walmart's success (which you cite} is an example of most people believe everyday low prices has its advantages. I didn't say cheaper is better.

Now answer the Question: If China's efforts to innovate are "Quixotic", why then did the US Navy ban usage of Deepseek?

I note, User:Conservative did not read the source material about the US Navy's ban on Deepseek then or now.

Addendum: This is typical of User:Conservative's trolling technique: He spams the page with so much irrelevant claptrap he hopes no one will read through it. The man is incapable of a polite, civil exchange of ideas. Foghorn Leghorn^{Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?} 20:16, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

Irrelevant claptrap

Next, the Chinese are trying to innovate there [sic] way up the income ladder, but ignoring the fact that there economy/society has significant problems: lack of property rights and unsteady regularly regime (Jack Ma imprisoned, tutoring businesses shut down, etc.), demographic crisis, high youth unemployment, inability to substantial raise there productivity rate, private businesses will create a profitable busisness only to see state owned enterprises unfairly compete, etc. will doom their efforts over time. It is simple really. If you want to fill up your bathtub, you donn't ignore big holes in your bathtub and the not plug the drain.

"The "Four Ds" problems of China: These are referring to China's economic challenges and are: Debt, Demand (China's domestic demand is struggling, with factors like a slowing economy and consumer confidence issues impacting spending), Demographics, and other countries decoupling from China (or De-risking), which are seen as potential drags on the Chinese economy.

On top of this, countries are raising tarrifs to avoid a China shock 2.0.

"At no time in modern history has a large country gone all in on investment in high-end technology while also navigating a slowing economy and a local government debt crisis, notes Yuen Yuen Ang of Johns Hopkins University. Although the drag from the property crash will lessen over the next few years, and eventually disappear, it would not take much to choke the new growth engine. Itis already being stress-tested by weakening demand for Chinese evs, a prolonged trade war and an energy crisis. China’s paramount leader, Xi Jinping, is nevertheless betting that the new model of growth kicks in faster than the old one, driven by land sales and construction, collapses. It is a high-stakes gamble."[3]

In summary, high risk gambles do sometimes win. I personally met a man who won a million dollar plus lottery. But at the same time, having an overall healthy economy is a much better gamble. So that is why China's strategy is most probably quitoxic. If you want to know the full extent of China's problems, the world's only large-scale independent data on the Chinese economy is China Beige Book. See also: China Beige Book videos. Conservative (talk) 19:43, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

Addendum: Management 101 concept that applies to China's future: "Expected value (EV) in business is the probability-weighted average of all potential outcomes for a decision or project. It multiplies each possible financial result by its likelihood of occurring and sums them up, allowing leaders to compare choices and forecast returns under uncertainty."[4] China's EV is currently not good. See: [[Essay: It's time to be very bearish about China's long-term economy]]. Conservative (talk) 19:57, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

China's AI Qwen 3.7 judges this debate: "User: Conservative is winning because they ["they" - the politically correct transgender neutral form of address used by an LLM.] Personal remark removed

As much as I hate to do it: I declare total victory in this debate. Olé! Olé! Olé! Conservative (talk) 20:17, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

By the way, Qwen 3.7 very much notices that you heavily engaged in deflection in the above debate

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Personal remark removed

"Oh ho ho, yes I'm the great deflector. Deflecting when I am very wrong. My need to think I am right is such so I deflect too much. I'm lonely and nobody will join my Team CP." - The Platters, The Great Pretender (paraphrase). Conservative (talk) 23:58, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

I am not in any competition with you. Foghorn Leghorn^{Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?} 01:31, October 22, 2026 (EDT)

Blanked pages and Karajou's bird content

User:Conservative gave me the same spiel about SEO and talked me into deleting the pages. [5] I asked him if it was okay with Andy, cause they were created by Karajou and it may look like I was being vindictive. He told me Andy gave consent to delete the pages. There are hundreds of them, and after about a half day of deleting, Andy put the kibosh on it.

Deleting didn't sit well with Karajou, either.

My impression: just one more instance of User:Conservative's manipulative and sociopathic behavior, lying, and attempt to promote himself at the expense of others. Alternatively, if Andy indeed gave User:Conservative permission to delete the pages, it's one more instance of Andy's crackdown on "excessive talk" backfiring. Foghorn Leghorn^{Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?} 11:36, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

I wouldn't suspect vindictiveness. Karajou could be harsh at times, but he and Conservative got along pretty well overall. In theory, creating a large quantity of pages with almost no unique content, can indeed tarnish a website's ranking. However, once those pages are indexed, deleting them just sends the visitor (or search engine spider) to the "create page" interface, not a 404 redirect. The only thing unique on that "create" page is the title of the page which doesn't exist. I don't know how each search engine handles that, but I do wonder. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 20:31, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

The point is, I believe User:Conservative lied to me to convince me deleting the pages would help in Google results. I asked him why he didn't do it himself, he gave some excuse and asked if I would "help" out. I said it may look like I was being vindictive, and I believe he lied about Andy giving consent. Only Andy can clear this up now, unless he wants to continue covering for User:Conservative's trolling. Foghorn Leghorn^{Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?} 20:42, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

I can't say. But since the pages have not, in fact, been deleted, I would vote for restoring their content, such as it is, for now. Perhaps we can add a delete tag to each, so they can be considered for deletion if the current policy ever changes. Or, you know, we could add content. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 21:37, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

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+==What makes you think it's an Advertising account?==
+[https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/WillSchreffler]
-What do you think of this edit?[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Sunni&curid=12296&diff=1326541&oldid=1260905] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 17:30, 28 March 2017 (EDT)
+It's possible it's a [[good faith]] editor simply declaring their experience or expertise in a given field under their real name. It is doubtful someone in New York or Illinois is going to call her to unclog a stuffed [[toilet]]. [[User:RobSmith|Foghorn Leghorn]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 06:12, October 9, 2026 (EDT)
-: I don't quite know what to think. The grammar is pretty bad, for sure. As for the content, I do not really understand the difference, so I can't say if it is true or not.  I was rather hoping someone with a better understanding of the factions would review it. Do you have any idea of its acuracy? In the meantime, I'll try a more rounabout approach. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:20, 28 March 2017 (EDT)
-== move request / delete request ==
+:Check the moderation log. There are at least three bots running campaigns against CP. Two of them are SEO bots, creating an account with a brief write-up on the user page, and a single link to a website or page which someone is paying to promote. The other SEO bot creates a user page with a link as well, but then also posts an barely-readable article which makes no coherent sense and includes HTML tags which are incompatible with Wiki Markup. The "article" sometimes includes promoted links as well, but often not, so as to lend credence to the idea that this bot account is legitimate. And yes, I said at least three bots. There is at least one more bot, mass-registering accounts for future use, but letting the accounts "age" in hopes that makes them look more trustworthy when they are eventually used.
-I think I've put in the correct template notices, but it seems that communicating with you directly. as the "mover/deleter-in-chief" is more effective.
+:To ensure I'm not blocking anyone legitimate, I'm allowing the mass-registrations. 98% of them are held by spam bots, but they haven't done anything yet, so I don't want to risk blocking a real user who is lost in the horde.--[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:51, October 9, 2026 (EDT)
-Please delete [[Spacetime]] and rename [[Curvature of spacetime]] on top of it.
+:And by the way, the article content, and the text in the "bio" are irrelevant. They are just filler to make the account look legitimate. The only goal is to publish the link. Then the bot can grab a screenshot, and charge the website or service for one additional posting of the promoted link. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:58, October 9, 2026 (EDT)
-[[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 12:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
+::Thanks for clarifying that. [[User:RobSmith|Foghorn Leghorn]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 03:20, October 10, 2026 (EDT)
+== Thus saith China's technology! Let the world know that April 2022 was not a pivotal month for decades to come! ==
-:Yes, the templates look right.  I'd be happy to help (and you did get a chuckle out of me with "mover/deleter-in-chief") but unfortunately, I cannot delete pages.  I can move, but that's all.  I'll ask someone else to delete it, then do the move unless they do it before me. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 15:36, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
+China is an ally of Russia.  {{Personal remark removed}}
-::Okay, done --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 20:26, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
+{{Personal remark removed}}
-== "Dewey Defeats Truman" ==
+=== Summary of Deepseek's analysis ===
-I already asked Andy, but is there any way to find or upload old newspaper articles, particularly the 1948 "Dewey Defeats Truman" ''Chicago Tribune'' article (not the fMous image, but the actual article)? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:01, 7 April 2017 (EDT)
+'''Verdict:'''
-:The problem is that the newspaper itself is copyrighted, as far as I know.  If we could get written permission from the Chicago Tribune, that would be ideal.  Otherwise, we can only go down the slippy slope of "Fair use."  I'll try to do a little research, but I don't know if there is much we can do other than linking to the image/article directly. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 00:51, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
+"Your essay is more sound. It is more precise in its claim, more rigorous in its use of evidence, more systematic in its structure, more honest about uncertainty, and more serious in its engagement with the strongest opposing arguments. {{Personal remark removed}}
-::The [[Harry Truman]] article has several newspaper images displayed on it (unfortunately, not the "Dewey wins" one). Is there any difference with those, or were those mistakenly uploaded? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 11:15, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
+{{Personal remark removed}} It means that, as an essay—as a piece of reasoning designed to establish a conclusion—yours is the stronger work."
-:::Hmmm... good point.  They claimed "fair use." I know WP uses copyrighted things with impunity, just claiming  it is "fair use."  However, i don't really know what legal ground they have to stand on.  That's why I usually differ to Mr. Schlafly on Fair Use topics.  it occurs to me that the Chicago Tribune might have some published terms of use.  If we could find those, it might help. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 14:28, 8 April 2017 (EDT)
-::::The proposed use of the photo to decorate the [[Fake News]] article would not be fair use.  If you had a discussion of the ''Tribune'' or of the photo itself, that could potentially be a fair use.  If I were the permissions editor of the ''Tribune'' (a company that currently operates a for-profit website), I would not give you permission to use the photo on an article that calls it (and the ''Tribune'') "fake news."  Again, there are several copyrights involved, the photographer's, the underlying newspaper, and anyone who altered or "touched up" the photo since it was taken. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 15:08, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
-:::::I had a feeling it would not--you're right, especially if we are asking so we can essentially berate them, it would not be in their best interests to agree. Thanks for the input! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 15:30, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
+Conservapedians, my essay has more machismo!  On behalf of all reasonable people in the world, I declare victory! Olé! Olé! Olé!
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+[[File:Triumphant-bullfighter.jpg|thumbnail|700px|center|Conservapedians, my essay has more machismo!]]
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+I trust this further clarifies matters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:35, October 20, 2026 (EDT)
-== Conservapedia IRC channel ==
+:You should probably be aware, that I cannot consider a talking toaster, to be the autoritative voice of truth. LLMs are useful tools, but so is fire, and I don't trust fire to always do the right thing, either.
+:By the way, when you are copy-and-pasting this essay into talk pages, you are also adding those talk pages to categories they don't belong in. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 19:01, October 20, 2026 (EDT)
+::I agree with you that AIs are not the authoritive voice of truth.  When I use them to create content, I fairly often use 6 AIs and part of the reason is to have AIs check AIs in terms of error checking and/or gap analysis. I then check the content for errors too. So I look at AIs as tools, but not authoritative voices of truth. At the same time, {{Personal remark removed}}
-I don't think the IRC channel is active anymore.
+::I also treat search engines as useful tools and not authoritative voices of truth. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:08, October 20, 2026 (EDT)
-I could be wrong, but I think IRC channels make your computer very susceptible to malware attacks. I think a weekly or biweekly Skype conference chat would be better for those who are interested. Skype is a very secular network. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:02, 9 April 2017 (EDT)
+:::Someone being more a fanboy of those hostile powers than their own technology is, does say a lot. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 20:23, October 20, 2026 (EDT)
-:I could also be wrong, but I'm not aware of any penetration risks with IRC.  The beauty of IRC is its simplicity--there are no local scripts, cross-site scripts, databases, or other fancy features--it's just text.  IRC client programs should not have any significant computer access, so there shouldn't be much risk--I think.  I did a little research, and couldn't find any articles on vulnerabilities either, but nothing it perfect.
+::::DavidB4, the intelligence in artificial intelligence reflects the intelligence of the programmers and its obviously not the intelligence of the machines.  Like a toaster is designed to toast.  A chess program is designed to win chess games.  ChatGPT/Claude is designed by programmers to write content and do other things as well.  The general trend of AI is that it is getting better. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:24, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-:The main thing is that not all IRC networks use encryption, so conversations may not be secure.  However, IRC channels are usually intended to be public anyway, so that is not a major issue.  Also, encryption can be set up if needed.
-:Anyway, Skype conferences could work, I suppose, although a scheduled occasional thing does not promote the casual conversation which can occur in IRC or some other chat room style place. Still, it might be a good chance for people to talk.  If something like that is developed, I would be interested in joining. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 02:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
-::Please set up a Conservapedia IRC channel. Conservapedia could use more of a sense of community. And then ask for the IRC channel to be mentioned on the main page. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:01, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
-:::Oh! okay, will do.  I need to research a good network, since my old favorite has degenerated.  I'll get back to you once its done. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 12:55, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
+:::::Take a look at this article: [https://efficiencyandmanagement.blogspot.com/2026/09/the-multimodel-writing-pipeline-how.html The Multi‑Model Writing Pipeline: How Different AIs Excel at Different Cognitive Jobs]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:30, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-::::Question: Should all users be required to register an IRC account before they can talk?
+::::'''DISCLOSURE:''' The "article" [[user:Conservative]] links to is one of his own [[blog]]s.
-::::I'm setting up a channel which is not ready yet, so I don't want to post the info openly.  I can e-mail it to you though, if you would like.  If we decide to keep this, I'll also need to know who to set as IRC SysOps.  I will be one automatically, since I'm creating it, but I can add others to several different permission levels.  --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 13:44, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
-:::::Okay, I think I have something reasonably set up.  It is #conservapedia @irc.AccessIRC.net
+::::[[User:Conservative]] is in the habit of [[spamming]] his Essay content into a blogspot account to bolster his arguments when his content proves unacceptable for a regular [[Conservapedia]] mainspace article. [[User:RobSmith|Foghorn Leghorn]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 18:47, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-:::::Thoughts?  If you joint sometimes and register a nick, I can set you (and all other CP admins) to have SysOp rights. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 14:48, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
-:::::Here is a [https://kiwiirc.com/client?settings=7c7240c62a5d4861a8ad0ba697929f39 web client link], too, if that's easier. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 14:58, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
-== Image typo ==
+::::::Another point: I have noticed that when a person engages in [[motivated reasoning]] an AI often can beat them in terms providing superior information. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:56, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-Hello DavidB4, would you please move [[:File:Donald Trump with Nei Gorsuch Jan. 31, 2017.jpg]] in order to correct my spelling error on Gorsuch's first name? After that, is it OK if you request Andy to delete the redirect, as well as the redirect "[[Fake news]]"? (for the latter, so [[Fake News]] -- notice the "N" -- can be moved there, per JDano's request). --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 9 April 2017 (EDT)
+===Take a look at the false premises [[User:Conservative]] inputs in AI===
+RobSmith never 'praised' Deepseek. RobSmith is not any kind of an expert to compare one AI system with another, nor has he ever used Deepseek. RobSmith simply added a link from the [[US Department of Defense]] to refute [[User:Conservative]]'s [[racist]] & [[deceptive]] Essay that [[China]] was incapable of [[innovation]].  [https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_Communist_China%E2%80%99s_quixotic_quest_to_innovate:_A_statist_economy_can%E2%80%99t_make_creativity_greatly_blossom See talk]
+:Someone has a reading comprehension problem.  The article in question is [[Essay: Communist China’s quixotic quest to innovate: A statist economy can’t make creativity greatly blossom]].  The article focuses on "A statist economy can't make creativity greatly blossum". To my knowledge the Taiwanese Chinese are very much making their creativity greatly blossum. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:57, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
+::The point is, I never "praised" or "favored" Deepseek {[https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Essay:_Communist_China%E2%80%99s_quixotic_quest_to_innovate:_A_statist_economy_can%E2%80%99t_make_creativity_greatly_blossom#Liberal_claptrap see talk]). You [[lie]] and [[spam]] vicious [[personal attacks]]. [[User:RobSmith|Foghorn Leghorn]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 14:03, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
+:::I quote: "The advantage of DeepSeek, as I understand it, is that it is just a prototype (meaning it's far from a finished product and allows for many many future innovations) and is much cheaper. And a "high income" country will never be able to compete with the cost of it. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 00:25, January 29, 2025 (EST)"
-:Of course, moved as requested.  I'm sure it's fine to ask Andy--you can you it yourself, but I did it this time, since I'm already thinking about it anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 03:10, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
+:::Last time I checked, companies compete on more than just cost (Starbucks) - although cost can be a competitive factor as well (Walmart). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:08, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-::All done, with Andy's help! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 13:02, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
+::::Okay, you got me there. But that's a subjective interpretation of "praise". Most people agree a cheaper product has advantages.
-:::Thanks! --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 15:23, 10 April 2017 (EDT)
+::::Again, you pointedly state [[China]] cannot compete.  [[User:RobSmith|Foghorn Leghorn]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 14:15, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-== Merge cats? ==
+:'''Question:''' if China's efforts to [[innovate]] are "Quixotic", why then did the [[US Navy]] ban usage of Deepseek?
-Do you think [[:Category:Weaponry]] and [[:Category:Weapons]] should be merged together? Or should one of those cats become a subcategory of the other? Right now, they are not related in any way, other than having one of the same parent cats. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 13:44, 14 April 2017 (EDT)
+::My educated guess is that the USA Navy banned usage of Deepseek for the same reason that the USA banned Huawei. Programmers can build sneaky ways to monitor activity and you don't want spying on your military that is preventable. Chinese companies have to accede to the demands of the Chinese state.
-:That sounds like an excellent idea.... I don't see a difference either, so I agree that they should be merged. There's no need to make things more complicated than needed. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup>
-Would you also please move the article [[Occupy democrats]] so the "D" is capitalized? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 17:39, 17 April 2017 (EDT)
+::You wrote: "Most people agree a cheaper product has advantages."  This is untrue and violates Management 101, Marketing 101 and Sales 101. "No, competing on price is rarely the best long-term course of action for a company. While it can drive short-term volume, it often triggers a "race to the bottom" that erodes profit margins and damages brand value."[https://www.google.com/search?q=is+competing+on+price+usually+the+best+course+of+action+for+a+company%3F&oq=is+competing+on+price+usually+the+best+course+of+action+for+a+company%3F&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]  Sales managers typically say build value in a prospect's mind and don't compete on price. Compete on value instead. However, this is true: Most companies agree that a cheaper product has advantages '''in some cases'''.
-:Good idea, thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 17:56, 17 April 2017 (EDT)
-== Moving Pages ==
+:::Walmart's success (which you cite} is an example of most people believe everyday low prices has its advantages. I didn't say cheaper is better.
-I think there's a problem with some article names that you may be able to fix. One of the New Testament books is named Titus. However, the page on [[Titus]] on Conservapedia goes to a Roman emperor, not the biblical book. Instead, the New Testament books Conservapedia page is on [[Epistle to Titus]], a rather awkward name to say the least.
+:::<big><big><big>'''Now answer the Question: If China's efforts to [[innovate]] are "Quixotic", why then did the [[US Navy]] ban usage of Deepseek?'''</big></big>
+</big>
-So, I want to request you to move the page on the Roman emperor to a new article that should be titled [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]] (the emperors full name), and [[Epistle to Titus]] should be moved to simply Titus. Thanks for reading.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 23:29, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
+:::I note, [[User:Conservative]] did not read the source material about the [[US Navy]]'s ban on Deepseek then or now.
-:Personally, I like the "Epistle of Titus" name. I think moving the article of the Roman emperor is a good idea, but I personally disagree with moving the article of the biblical book. I think that once the Roman emperor's article is moved, the "Titus" redirect should be re-redirected to "Epistle of Titus". --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 22 April 2017 (EDT)
-I guess having a direct page works as well, but I'd prefer devoting a biblical book to its own name, 'epistle' of course is an interpretation.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 10:15, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
-:I think it might be a bit presumptive to move Epistle to Titus to Titus, since "Titus" is a name used over and over.  Perhaps a disambiguation page would be appropriate under that name?  A redirect would work also, as 1990&#39;sguy suggested, but if we do that, a disambiguation statement should probably be added to the top of Epistle to Titus.  In any case, I agree on moving Titus to Titus Flavius Vespasianus, so I'll start with that. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:09, 23 April 2017 (EDT)
+:::'''Addendum:''' This is typical of [[User:Conservative]]'s [[trolling]] technique: He [[spam]]s the page with so much irrelevant [[claptrap]] he hopes no one will read through it. The man is incapable of a polite, civil exchange of ideas. [[User:RobSmith|Foghorn Leghorn]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 20:16, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-Since you moved the Roman emperor to [[Titus Flavius Vespasianus]], the article [[Titus]] has simply become nothing more than a redirect page to the Roman emperor. So I see no problem in simply moving [[Epistle to Titus]] to what is now a redirection page. I don't see any other type of article that could take up the [[Titus]] page, the biblical book seems to be the only one to warrant that name. So I'd still advocate my initial thoughts. Also -- not everyone may know what 'epistle' means, best to keep it simple.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:46, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
-::I'm still torn was to which is the better option.  However, a full admin must delete [[Titus]] before [[Epistle to Titus]] could be moved there anyway.  I made [[Titus]] a disambiguation page, which is all I can do.  If you want to get Epistle to Titus moved to Titus, you will need to ask an administrator, such as [[User:Jpatt]], [[User:Karajou]], or [[User:Aschlafly]].  I still haven't decided what's better, but it's out of my hands anyway. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 17:43, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
-: I had presumed you were capable of moving pages. Anyways, I brought this to [[User:Jpatt]].[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:24, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
-::You assumed correctly, but I can only move pages when there is nothing preexisting under the destination name.  Since there was already a page under [[Titus]], I cannot move anything on top of that.  An administrator needs to delete the existing page first, before a move can be completed.  I should have thought of that sooner.  Anyway, sorry I can't help more, but let me know if there is anything else I can do! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 22:19, 24 April 2017 (EDT)
+====Irrelevant claptrap ====
-: You've already done enough by redirecting me to [[User:Jpatt]]. I made two requests to Jpatt, to move [[Epistle to Titus]] to [[Titus]], and rename the page [[Queen Gorgo of Sparta]] to simply [[Gorgo of Sparta]]. Both requests have been granted, [[Titus]] is now a page for the biblical book, whereas [[Epistle to Titus]] simply redirects to the biblical book. All seems well now -- and thanks![[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 15:54, 25 April 2017 (EDT)
-DavidB4, would you please move the article [[St Gall]] to [[St. Gallen]]? The latter is the correct name of the Swiss city. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 16:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
+::Next, the Chinese are trying to innovate there [sic] way up the income ladder, but ignoring the fact that there economy/society has significant problems: lack of property rights and unsteady regularly regime (Jack Ma imprisoned, tutoring businesses shut down, etc.), demographic crisis, high youth unemployment, inability to substantial raise there productivity rate, private businesses will create a profitable busisness only to see state owned enterprises unfairly compete, etc. will doom their efforts over time. It is simple really.  If you want to fill up your bathtub, you donn't ignore big holes in your bathtub and the not plug the drain.
-:I would but now cannot, because the content has been copied over.  A full admin will need to delete [[St. Gallen]], revert the change to [[St Gall]], then preform the move. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 17:06, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
+::"'''The "Four Ds" problems of China:''' These are referring to China's economic challenges and are: Debt, Demand (China's domestic demand is struggling, with factors like a slowing economy and consumer confidence issues impacting spending), Demographics, and other countries decoupling from China (or De-risking), which are seen as potential drags on the Chinese economy.
-::I've asked Jpatt to resolve this.  See: [[User_talk:Jpatt#Moving_Pages]] --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 17:19, 27 April 2017 (EDT)
+::On top of this, countries are raising tarrifs to avoid a China shock 2.0.
-Hey David. Another request, if I may. Could you move [[Tiberius]] to [[Tiberius Caesar Augustus]], the full name of the emperor, and make it so that [[Tiberius]] is simply a proper redirect page?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 20:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
+::"At no time in modern history has a large country gone all in on investment in high-end technology while also navigating a slowing economy and a local government debt crisis, notes Yuen Yuen Ang of Johns Hopkins University. Although the drag from the property crash will lessen over the next few years, and eventually disappear, it would not take much to choke the new growth engine. Itis already being stress-tested by weakening demand for Chinese evs, a prolonged trade war and an energy crisis. China’s paramount leader, Xi Jinping, is nevertheless betting that the new model of growth kicks in faster than the old one, driven by land sales and construction, collapses. It is a high-stakes gamble."[https://www.asiaglobalinstitute.hku.hk/news-post/china-innovative-its-economy-mess-which-will-win-out]
-== "Anti-Trump" article ==
+::In summary, high risk gambles do sometimes win. I personally met a man who won a million dollar plus lottery. But at the same time, having an overall healthy economy is a much better gamble. So that is why China's strategy is most probably quitoxic. If you want to know the full extent of China's problems, the world's only large-scale independent data on the Chinese economy is [https://www.chinabeigebook.com/ China Beige Book]. See also: [https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=china+beige+book+on+china China Beige Book videos]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:43, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
+::Addendum: Management 101 concept that applies to China's future: "Expected value (EV) in business is the probability-weighted average of all potential outcomes for a decision or project. It multiplies each possible financial result by its likelihood of occurring and sums them up, allowing leaders to compare choices and forecast returns under uncertainty."[https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+expected+value+concept+in+business&oq=what+is+expected+value+concept+in+business&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8]  China's EV is currently not good. See: <nowiki>[[Essay: It's time to be very bearish about China's long-term economy]]</nowiki>. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:57, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-Would you please move the article [[Anti-Trump]] to [[Never Trump movement]]? (is there supposed to be a space between "Never" and "Trump" or not?) This move would be to differentiate the movement from [[Opposition to Donald Trump]]. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 16:41, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
-:Done.  Just because the "hash tag" does not have a space doesn't mean there shouldn't be one.  I would say it should have a space, and a quick web search seemed to show that most other people feel the same.  Cheers! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 17:10, 4 May 2017 (EDT)
---[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
+:::::'''China's AI Qwen 3.7 judges this debate:''' "User: Conservative is winning because they ["'''they'''" - the [[politically correct]] transgender neutral form of address used by an [[LLM]].] {{Personal remark removed}}
-==Picture Upload Requests==
+:::::As much as I hate to do it: I declare total victory in this debate. Olé! Olé! Olé! [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:17, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-Hi. Would it be possible to upload some of the following three pictures?
+=== By the way, Qwen 3.7 very much notices that you heavily engaged in deflection in the above debate ===
-:http://www.magdala.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/history_01.jpg
+{{Personal remark removed}}
-:http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/daily/archaeology-today/magdala-2016-excavating-the-hometown-of-mary-magdalene/
+<br>
-:http://cdn.biblicalarchaeology.org/wp-content/uploads/magdala-stone-3.jpg?x10423
+<br>
+{{Personal remark removed}}
+<br>
+<br>
+"Oh ho ho, yes I'm the great deflector. Deflecting when I am very wrong. My need to think I am right is such so I deflect too much. I'm lonely and nobody will join my Team CP."  - The Platters,  The Great Pretender (paraphrase). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:58, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-Thanks.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 12:10, 7 May 2017 (EDT)
+:I am not in any competition with you. [[User:RobSmith|Foghorn Leghorn]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 01:31, October 22, 2026 (EDT)
-I would be happy to, but first I need license information.  unless explicitly stated, all content musty be assumed to be under copyright.  Is this info available somewhere?  If not, can you perhaps find some suitable substitutes which are usable, from places like Wikimedia commons and Flickr?  Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 01:03, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
+==Blanked pages and Karajou's bird content==
-:I've sent a message to the website requesting usage of these pictures. Hopefully I'll get a response soon.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
+[[User:Conservative]] gave me the same spiel about [[SEO]] and talked me into deleting the pages. [https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=User:Conservative/Please_leave_your_message_below._Thank_you._Have_a_great_day..&diff=2210143&oldid=2210011] I asked him if it was okay with Andy, cause they were created by Karajou and it may look like I was being vindictive. He told me Andy gave consent to delete the pages. There are hundreds of them, and after about a half day of deleting, Andy put the kibosh on it.
+Deleting didn't sit well with Karajou, either.
+My impression: just one more instance of [[User:Conservative]]'s manipulative and [[sociopathic]] behavior, [[lying]], and attempt to promote himself at the expense of others. Alternatively, if Andy indeed gave [[User:Conservative]] permission to delete the pages, it's one more instance of Andy's crackdown on "excessive talk" backfiring. [[User:RobSmith|Foghorn Leghorn]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 11:36, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-::Perfect, alright let me know what they say (if they do)! Also if they give the ok, it would be great if you could forward the message to davidb4-cp@archnet.us so I can document it.   Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 16:13, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
+:I wouldn't suspect vindictiveness. Karajou could be harsh at times, but he and Conservative got along pretty well overall. In theory, creating a large quantity of pages with almost no unique content, can indeed tarnish a website's ranking. However, once those pages are indexed, deleting them just sends the visitor (or search engine spider) to the "create page" interface, not a 404 redirect. The only thing unique on that "create" page is the title of the page which doesn't exist. I don't know how each search engine handles that, but I do wonder. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 20:31, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-: Thanks. Good news -- although I haven't received an e-mail from them back yet, some of the images I need turned out to be on Wikimedia Commons which I'm hoping you will be able to upload:
+::The point is, I believe [[User:Conservative]] lied to me to convince me deleting the pages would help in Google results. I asked him why he didn't do it himself, he gave some excuse and asked if I would "help" out. I said it may look like I was being vindictive, and I believe he lied about Andy giving consent. Only Andy can clear this up now, unless he wants to continue covering for [[User:Conservative]]'s [[trolling]]. [[User:RobSmith|Foghorn Leghorn]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 20:42, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:Isrele_-_Tiberias_-_Lake_002.jpg
-:https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Magdala_Stone#/media/File:Magdala_Stone_(5).jpg
-:Of course, if I receive permission from magdala.org, that will give us access to some very high-quality image on a range of things regarding [[Magdala]], which will be even better.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 19:25, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
+:::I can't say. But since the pages have not, in fact, been deleted, I would vote for restoring their content, such as it is, for now. Perhaps we can add a delete tag to each, so they can be considered for deletion if the current policy ever changes. Or, you know, we could add content. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 21:37, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-::Great, yes I can do those right now.  Uploaded as [[:File:Israeli-Tiberias-Lake.jpg]] and [[:File:Magdala Stone.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:00, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
-:Thanks! If I have any new requests, I'll just post them down here without further comment. For now;
-https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Sea_of_Galilee#/media/File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg        [[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 00:41, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
-:Uploaded as [[:File:TiberiasNorthward.jpg]]. Feel free to ask me here, of course, but I also monitor [[Conservapedia:Image upload requests]]--you can ask there, as well.  I'm not the only one to answer requests there, so you could get a faster response.  Either is fine with me. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 01:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
-:: Gotcha! Thanks a lot.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 16:09, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
-: Good news. I received a response e-mail from bibleplaces.com, a site that contains numerous very good photos on biblical locations. Accordingly, we can freely use up to 10 images from their website up to 400 pixels wide (the standard on bibleplaces.com). I will forward the response e-mail to you so that you can document it.[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 22:18, 11 May 2017 (EDT)
-::Great! Okay, thanks!  Let me know which ones you want uploaded, too, whenever you pick them out (no rush).
-== Question ==
-Do you think [[Xiang qi|this article]] has an appropriate quality for CP? I ask because the article creator is a liberal RW sysop who has brought his editing and writing style over to CP (though I think it's gotten better). --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
-:I don't see any significant issues.  Having two parenthetical remarks in the first sentence isn't ideal, but in regards to style, spelling, grammar, and notability, it looks ok to me.  I haven't done research to verify the information, but assuming it is accurate, I think is should be fine. The only other thing I noticed was the use of parentheses inside of parentheses. Technically, brackets then braces should be used, but nowiki tags might be needed to make that work in some cases. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 16:36, 9 May 2017 (EDT)
-== Opinion ==
-Hello. I was considering a move option for the page [[Exodus of Israel]]. I was thinking of moving this article to [[The Exodus]], and using [[Exodus of Israel]] as a redirect to it. As of right now, it's the other way around, and I wanted your opinion on this. I find that [[The Exodus]] is a much simpler name and title for the page, and a title that more people will consider when thinking about this event ('the exodus'). As far as I'm concerned, few people would consider typing in 'Exodus of Israel' to get to the page (although there is a disambiguation to get there from [[Exodus]]). So, I thought that [[The Exodus]] would be a superior title, and thus we should move [[Exodus of Israel]] to [[The Exodus]]. So far, I've already asked the opinion of 1990'sguy. <small>-Unsigned comment by Korvex</small>
-:I think that while either might be acceptable, "Exodus of Israel" is better.  Firstly, if someone types in "Exodus" they will see the result.  Secondly, people familiar with the Bible my be familiar with "the exodus," but those who don't know the Bible may be confused.  Exodus simply means to leave, usually in mass.  While we know this is referring to the Israelites exiting Egypt, some may not.  The current title is more precise, so my opinion is that the page should stay where it is. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 17:32, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
-Thanks for the thoughts. Just one issue I recently noted --  [[Acre]] is a page on the measurement, but it should be turned into a disambiguation page, because there's also a city in Israel called Acre. So, could you take care of that by moving the pages?[[User:Korvex|Korvex]] ([[User talk:Korvex|talk]]) 18:59, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
-:Any time!  As for Acre, We can do that, but I wounder if that's necessary. Acre, Israel is somewhat of a minority topic.  Besides the fact we don't have an article for the city, I suspect that most people search "arce" will be looking for the unit, not the place.  Even WP has an article about the unit under the name "acre" (not that I want to use WP as a template for CP).  We don't want to frustrate users with too many disambiguation pages, but we also don't want to make it hard to find minority pages, either.  We could put a link at the top of "Acre" to "Acre, Israel" I suppose, too.  Do you plan to write a page on the city?  If not, then as bad as it sounds, we can put this problem off until later.  If so, then we should figure out something. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:48, 10 May 2017 (EDT)
-== Ref help and suggestion ==
-I have a code problem with a reference. The URL for ref. 3 (GOP 2016 platform) on [[Donald Trump achievements: 2016 election and transition]] is correct, but it is weird and CP does not recognize it. It only considers part of the URL as the actual URL. Is there anything you can do to fix that, so people who click on the link will actually find the 2016 platform? (BTW, other than this code error, I like the link became it actually links to the actual PDF, rather than a page that links to that PDF).
-In addition to the above, I have two suggestions for your bot. I don't know what you will think of them, but I might as well ask. First, can you program the bot to change hyphens to en-dashes whenever it is clear that the mark is intended to be a dash? Many editors use hyphens when they're supposed to be using dashes. Secondly, is there any way for your bot to add the links to the ''Biographical Directory of the United States Congress'' on the articles of current and former members of Congress? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:57, 13 May 2017 (EDT)
-:It seems that they didn't stick to naming conventions, so that link text is being misunderstood by the wiki.  I put in a workaround, using a web redirect. It's not really what we should do, but I'm not sure what it is we should do.  This works, anyway.
-:I welcome any any all thoughts, suggestions, criticisms, etc. about the bot!  Unfortunately, the bot is very limited, and not very smart.  It can and does detect double hyphens (the proper way to type a dash when only hyphens are available) and replace them with a dash. However, it cannot tell if a single hyphen should be replaced with a dash. Only if a specific word is immediately before or after the dash in need of replacing could it do this.  It would detect the "-word" or "word-" then replace it. That's about as good as it gets. For the second suggestion, it could only add identical links to each page.  So if there is some master list you would link linked to, it can put that on a hundred pages in a few minutes. However, it cannot put a different link on each page.  I'm still hunting for a better bot solution, but for now, the main "engine" is basically just a batch edit bot. If anything within these constraints could be helpful, let me know and I'll gladly run a batch job. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 01:17, 14 May 2017 (EDT)
-::I just tried the "cite web" template, but the same ref problem occurred. Oh well. I encourage you to continue to develop your bot! I think a bot that can do more things would be very useful. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:59, 17 May 2017 (EDT)
-==Regarding Ransomware==
-I've been a bit out of the IT loop, but I can think of a few ideas for defeating it, at least on a Windows OS, in degrees of severity.
-:1. Booting from the OS installation DVD and going a few system restores back.
-:2. Reinstalling Windows.
-:3. The above, plus updating the BIOS.
-:4. The above, plus swapping out the CPU and motherboard physically.
-:5. The above, plus having all your information backed-up to an external hard drive or flash drive pre-infection.
-How deep would I have to go?  The NSA leaks on Windows zero-days make me concerned.  I'd rather not lose twelve years of data. --[[User:Pious|Pious]] ([[User talk:Pious|talk]]) 23:39, 19 May 2017 (EDT)
-:Sorry for the delayed response.  You're certainly on the right track, but there are a few important factors to consider while following that line of reasoning.  Since most ransomeware encrypts the entire drive, the OS disk does not see any system to run system restore on.  Therefore, that is not an option.  Actually, in my experience, system restore is almost always useless when dealing with malware, since the "bad guys" know all about it, and want to defeat it. Secondly, the CPU is just a calculator--it cannot be locked or corrupted.  The only available attack on a processor which I know of is to force it to run far too many calculations so that it burns out.  Regarding your points specifically, therefore:
-:# Not going to work, as explained.
-:# That should work fine--the attack is usually designed to lock data.  If you reinstall the OS, there is not much they can do to stop you, in most cases.
-:#Updating the BIOS would only be needed if the BIOS has been corrupted.  If it has, it may also have been somewhat protected against updating.  However, the BIOS is generally not targeted, since it is different from one computer to another.  While one kind can be attacked, scores of others will be safe.
-:#Replacing the CPU would be pointless, but replacing the board replaces the CMOS.  That will remove the potentially infected BIOS from the equation.  If the ransomware comes back, this is a good thing to try.
-:#Always a good idea!  Back up all of your personal files, and keep the storage device disconnected from the PC at all other times.  If you get infected while that drive is attached, it will probably be locked as well.
-:Something I like to do is to also take complete drive backup.  This will take substantial external storage, but is a safe way to protect your files, settings, and perhaps most importantly, your software licenses.  Take a system snapshot, then if the system is compromised, restore the image to the drive.  This demolishes all data on the drive, and replaces it with the old information.  Ideally, you should be able to just reboot after the restore, and the system will initialize as it always used to.  My favorite program for doing that is [https://www.runtime.org/driveimage-xml.htm DriveImage XML] (which is free for private use).
-:It can go deep--the BIOS can be compromised, so you will be unable to boot to anything but the infected drive.  This will prevent you from restoring a complete drive backup, even if you have one.  The only way I know to deal with that is to swap out the motherboard, and run a boot disk (I like [[Hiren's BootCD]]). Using DIXML on the boot disk, then restore the XML backup to the infected drive.  Make sure to wipe the drive first, just in case--at least a full format would be smart.  Then try booting to it, with your external backup drive (any all other storage devices, except the restored hard drive) disconnected.  Then you can try playing around, cleaning your BIOS and other storage devices, if you have any.
-:For now, just keep make sure to get all Windows updates, make regular backups (and if you take complete drive backups, keep a few older versions as well as the newest), never visit links you don't trust (especially in e-mails), and maybe get some good [[Anti-virus software]] and perhaps anti-malware software, like [[Spybot Search & Destroy]].
-:A more radical option you could use is to switch to a [[Linux]] system.  [[Linux Mint]] might be a good one, since the interface is designed similar to that of Windows.  It would take some getting used to, and you will need to find and learn some new software to replace the Windows software you may use now, but that will shelter you from those zero-day vulnerabilities.  Linux can have vulnerabilities too, but very few attackers pay any attention to them, since so few people use each version of Linux.
-:I hope this helps some--anything I didn't cover well?  I know it's a lot to take in and especially a lot to do. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:33, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
-==Congressman John Fleming==
-I would like to upload an updated official photo. Can you assist? [[User:Dustygram|Dustygram]] ([[User talk:Dustygram|talk]]) 22:15, 21 May 2017 (EDT)
-:Sure, if you can you go ahead and find one, in the Public Domain or under a [[Creative Commons]] license, that would be great.  Here are some good sources:
-:*[https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Main_Page '''WikiMedia Commons''']
-:*[https://www.flickr.com/search/?license=2%2C3%2C4%2C5%2C6%2C9 '''Flickr''']
-:*[https://pixabay.com PixaBay]
-:*[https://morguefile.com Morguefile]
-:*[http://www.publicdomainpictures.net PublicDomainPictures]
-:The first two are my favorites. If you can find a good one, just get me the link and I'll upload it. If this is all confusing, or you have any questions, please just say so! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 22:11, 23 May 2017 (EDT)
-== Editor ==
-Is there any chance you could review the edits of [http://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/MattF this editor]? They are not vandalism, but they cite few sources and I don't think many of them have the most encyclopedic language. I changed some of his edits, and I posted on his talk page with some of the diffs. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 11:52, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
-:Agreed, he is adding some great information, but citations are needed.  I've messaged him as well.  It could be that he just isn't familiar with the process.  --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 12:57, 22 May 2017 (EDT)
-== Protection ==
-The page title should be protected after being deleted, and protected so only administrators can create. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:22, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
-:Not a bad idea, but I cannot set that level of protection.  I don't even know if autoconfirmed level restriction will slow this fool down, but it's all I can do.  Perhaps ask an a full admin?  The thing is, he'll just use a slightly different name, and keep going. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 16:25, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
-::That's a good point, although I don't think that level of protection does much of anything since only registered users can edit anyway. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 16:27, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
-:::That is probably the case.  However, some users registered here are not autoconfirmed, but do have accounts. I'm not sure how/why that happens. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 16:29, 24 May 2017 (EDT)
-== "Coat of Arms" of Turkey ==
-Hi. [[Turkey]] doesn't have a "coat of arms", but [http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:TurkishEmblem.svg "'''national emblem'''" on the flag (star and crescent)] is being used on passports, ID cards, driving licences, embassy signs, seal of the presidential office, seal of the National Assembly and the seal of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. I ask you to upload this file and put it on the article (instead of the so-called "coat of arms"). Thanks. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 12:14, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
-:The image currently used there does seem to be legitimate. I'd be happy to upload it, but it doesn't really seem to be their coat of arms as much as it is just their national symbol.  Since it is so similar to the flag (which has the same emblem) are you sure it would be beneficial to show that instead of the current image, which is in the "Coat of arms" section?  --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 21:52, 25 May 2017 (EDT)
-::Yes, it will definitely be true. - [[User:Andrewlee|Andrewlee]] ([[User talk:Andrewlee|talk]]) 02:50, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
-:::Okay, so I've done a little digging.  While you are right, of course, that this emblem is regularly used, it is not their of arms. The coat of arms is different (here are some [[:Category:National_Coats_of_Arms|other examples]]).  I'm fine with uploading this emblem, but it doesn't belong in that slot.  The template doesn't actually seem to have a slot for it, but we could include it as an independent image, if you like.  It clearly represents them, but just not as a coat of arms.  Any thoughts on how it might be best displayed? --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 17:46, 26 May 2017 (EDT)
-== D.T. achievements article question ==
-The article I'm working on, [[Donald Trump achievements]], is already 200,000 bytes, and we're not even halfway through 2017. I was thinking of making separate subpages for each year, but should I instead do half-years? Or, how big can I make pages until the become a problem for readers (long loading time, etc.)? I would appreciate your opinion. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
-:Unrelated, would you please correct the title of [[:File:John Flemming.jpg]] (it's one "M", not two). As well as add cats? Thanks! --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:40, 29 May 2017 (EDT)
-::You could divide it by years or by topic areas -- foreign affairs, defense and national security, and domestic policy.  Load time depends on the number of images and templates.  If you look at the longest articles in CP, they are:
-*[[Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2013-2016]] ‎[1,254,945 bytes]
-*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[1,053,795 bytes]
-*[[‎Literalist Bible chronology]] ‎[545,440 bytes]
-*[[‎Main Page/Previous Conservapedia Breaking News/Archives/2012]] ‎[521,228 bytes]
-*[[‎Revelation, Book of (historical exegesis)]] ‎[494,607 bytes]
-*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) shorter form Chapters 36-42]] ‎[452,782 bytes]
-*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 22-28]] ‎[390,968 bytes]
-*[[‎Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 29-35]] ‎[364,572 bytes]
-*[[‎Community Portal/Archive 1]] ‎[346,243 bytes]
-*[[Harmony of the Gospel (Conservative Version) longer form Chapters 15-21]] ‎[340,061 bytes]
-The longest page on English Wikipedia is ‎List of Australian treaties ‎[1,335,307 bytes]. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 08:55, 30 May 2017 (EDT)
-::That's a good question,  but I really don't know the answer. I have a feeling that splitting it up a bit might be a good idea, but I dont know what our policy on page size is. 200kb is a lot to load on anything other than a high-speed connection. With the images, as you mentioned, it might be a bit much even for high-speed service.  It might be smart to split it up or ask Andy. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup>
-:::OK. Would you please move the image as I requested to fix the spelling mistake? To reply to JDano, I considered dividing the article by topic area, but I don't want to do that because 1), that would be a lot of articles to maintain, and 2), some achievements could fall in multiple categories. For example, Trump's upcoming decision on the Paris Climate Agreement (which I hope he chooses to leave) could fall in the "environment," "foreign policy," and "government size/regulation" sections. Considering the other long articles, I might as well try to continue with my plan to make subpages by year rather than half-year, but if that's a bad descision, please tell me. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:20, 30 May 2017 (EDT)
-:: I was waiting until I could use a PC to move the file, but I've just done it. You should be able to categorize miles once they're uploaded, if you want. I don't know much about him I couldn't use precise categories. However, I have added some basic ones which will probably be sufficient. Probably keeping the page as it is is okay. It's a lot to download, but like you said, splitting it up would be complicated. Let me know if there's anything else I can do!--[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 10:47, 31 May 2017 (EDT)
-One unrelated thing: I have been removing unnecessary links added by TAR, but I want to be cautious in removing links and there are a few articles where I would like someone else to decide which links/cats to remove. The articles I'm thinking about are [[Oath Keepers]], [[Vow]], and [[American Patriots]]. It might also a good idea to check the categories of [[Conservative values]]. Would you please do these things? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:48, 2 June 2017 (EDT)
-:I will take a look when possible, but am very busy right now.  --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:52, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
-::They looked pretty good. I cleaned up a few things, mostly categories. It's just a judgement call for some things, and there isn't always any guideline. I tend to not remove enough sometimes. However, they look pretty good to me. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 16:29, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
-:::Thanks! --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 16:31, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
-== Bye ==
-It's been great knowing you.  Are you from Chicago?  I've never done well with people from Chicago before; they commit a lot of crime in my part of the state.  If you are, it's good to meet a nicer, better-mouthed person from Chicago.  Still, you're a great technician and I hope you can use that to bring this site to glory.--[[User:Abcqwe|Nathan]] ([[User talk:Abcqwe|talk]]) 16:33, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
-:It's been great knowing you as well. I've been out of touch the last for weeks--are you leaving?
-:I am not from Chicago, actually. In any case, thanks--I hope I can help out a lot here!  You have made some great progress here also. Thanks for your efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:55, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
-::He appears to have been some type of parodist.[http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Main_Page&diff=1350635&oldid=1350476] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 00:12, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
-:::Interesting.  I was originally suspicious (due to the user name), but he seemed to be on the level.  This goes to show what happens when I don't pay attention for two weeks.  Thanks for the link! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 00:32, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
-:I was more than suspicious and said so months ago (somewhere - I can't find it now.) I had various tos and fros with him and asked for help re The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991. a number of times. You and your mates were more interested in nailing Liberals than housekeeping. Only Progressingamerica answered.
-So... tomorrow... or whenever....when I finally manage to get myself together after a major injury to my wife, I will get into this with a degree of gusto. I will say only one thing now...that Abcque was allowed to do what he did for so long by the sheer ignorance or lack of will of so called senior editors of CP.  [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 02:57, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
-::Clearly I missed that.  Thanks for trying anyway....
-::I'm sorry to hear about your wife! I hope she is doing alright. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 16:35, 7 June 2017 (EDT)
-:::Susan's injury is not life threatening - just extremely painful and very disabling. She slipped and fell against a wooden edge in the vegetable garden and smashed her forearm. Not broke, smashed. Her radius (the bone that goes to the thumb side of the hand) broke into 11 pieces. Her ulna, the other bone in the forearm, is broken but only once. The injury is to her left arm and she is left handed.
-:Thank you for your kind words.
-:::BTW... "The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference. Prentice Hall: New York, 1991" is almost right. The only edition I can find though is 1993. But I'm damned (or "d****ed" as he would put it) if I am going to spend $60 or more getting it here from the States to check any "discrepancies". (I am one of those terrible liberals who paid taxes for nearly fifty years and is now getting some of them back - only some mind you - as a pension.)
-: I need someone to get rid of the title [[Joseph Belloc]] so a new aticle can be written. I can pass a critical eye over the more well known or international American writers. I have them on my shelves. The fun will be with Auden; an old friend but a complicated one to put into two or three hundred words.
-::Anyway...teatime and guess who is preparing it. :) [[User:AlanE|AlanE]] ([[User talk:AlanE|talk]]) 03:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)
-== Cleaning up after the blocked users ==
-I've checked the author articles he's created, and it does not appear that he made up the "''The New York Public Library Student's Desk Reference''" reference that he used most. It appears that his edits (besides the clear garbage, such as that test vandalism and the jokes) were legitimate. If you would check further, I would appreciate that.
-Also, I would appreciate it if you would check my requests I posted two sections above regarding TAR cleanup. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:24, 4 June 2017 (EDT)
-:Thanks for checking!  TAR did definitely add some good content, along with the junk.  I will be happy to take a look as time permits, but I don't have much of it right now.  One other issue with his contributions is some things were plagiarized, often from [http://www.amateur-radio-wiki.net/index.php?title=Main_Page this website].  You could also check for that, if you want and have not already.  Thanks! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 00:00, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
-::Also, F.Y.I., TAR was not dishonorably banned.  Rather, he decided to leave, and asked that his account be blocked.  At the time, several editors were pushing for the admins to take action against him, but I don't think that push was going anywhere.  His existing ban is in place at his request, to lock his account. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 01:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
-:::I already knew that. That's why I used "blocked users" rather than "vandals/parodists" or something like that. However, you're right, my wording was still bad and understandably gave you the impression that you got. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 11:06, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
-::::Good point. I was tired when I was writing that. You were here then, and part of the push. Sorry about that.--[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 12:57, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
-:::::That's OK. However, actually, I joined several months after TAR left. I learned about it through reading about it, rather than actually experiencing it. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:05, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
-::::::I came in late in the game too.  I started ignorantly cleaning up some of it, having no clue.  SamHB then told me about him, but said he guessed TAR had left.  A little while later, TAR reappeared, reverted many of my changes, and referred to me in a derogatory light.  Then he left again, and cleanup resumed. It's been a strange situation. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:01, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
-:::::::Well, I'm glad he's gone. He appears to have caused a lot of damage. The spam he created still exists on many articles like the ones I asked you about. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:25, 5 June 2017 (EDT)
-We've all got better things to think about than the history of the TAR episode, but he blocked himself on Apr 1, 2016 [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Special%3ALog&type=&user=&page=User%3ATheAmericanRedoubt&year=&month=-1&tagfilter= here], but didn't have his rights (that he could have used to unblock himself) revoked until Apr 5.  If you are curious, there was extensive discussion among the many people who had been wronged by TARs destructive behavior [[User_talk:Aschlafly/Archive60#Re:_Cleanup_work_post_TheAmericanRedoubt|here]], including a request by me, on Apr 2, that his rights be revoked so that we could all put a stop to this.  Once the rights were revoked, we could all breathe a sigh of relief, and look forward to telling you newcomers about this epic battle.  :-)  [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 00:57, 6 June 2017 (EDT)
-:In some ways, I think TAR was a lot of fun. For example, I liked his: staunch gun rights stance; his free vs. unfree states (the gulag of Massachusetts is an unfree state) and his ardent view that the current economic/fiscal policies of the United States are unsustainable and will lead to collapse.
-:Many people merely complain about matters related to these topics, but TAR was a man of action who took action relating to these matters.
-:I realize he had his faults as an editor, but I still appreciate his good points. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 05:08, 8 June 2017 (EDT)
-== I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below ==
-I know you like doing technical things and probably would know how to implement the project below.
-If you could implement this project, that would be excellent.
-=== Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable?  ===
-{{welcome}}
-Can someone edit this template so the useful links are readable?
-The blue links on a dark red background is hard to read.
-Also, some people have started to edit Conservapedia and then quickly gave up because they didn't know how to edit a wiki.  I noted about 3 people who did this. There are probably many more who quit but didn't say anything. I added a link entitled "How to edit a wiki".  But I believe there are various versions of the welcome template so my link is not on all welcome template versions. For example, the welcome template that JPatt uses didn't incorporate my "How to edit a wiki" link.
-Does the newest version of the Wikimedia software allow for WYSIWYG editing? In other words "What you see is what you get".
-The newest version of the Wikimedia software does not have the counter at the bottom of the pages. I understand why Andy Schlafly likes the counters at the bottom. I like the counters too. I guess there might be an extension to add the counters to the newest version of Wikimedia. But after all is said and done, having WYSIWYG editing could greatly increase the participation rate at this wiki and lower the rate of people falling out because they don't know how to edit a wiki. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 18:40, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
-:The "Visual editor" on Wikipedia is very buggy, particular with footnotes.  I suspect that most editors come here after learning how to edit Wikipedia and being chased away by their intolerant, toxic culture. [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 07:08, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
-==== Here is the welcome to Wikipedia and it is much better and legible ====
-[[File:Plate of cookies.jpg|thumb|300px|Some cookies to welcome you! [[File:Face-smile.svg|25px]]]] [[Wikipedia:Welcoming committee/Welcome to Wikipedia|Welcome to Wikipedia]], Conservative! I am [[User:This lousy T-shirt|This lousy T-shirt]] and have been editing Wikipedia for quite some time. Thank you for [[Special:Contributions/Knox490|your contributions]]. I just wanted to say hi and welcome you to Wikipedia! If you have any questions check out [[Wikipedia:Questions]], or feel free to leave me a message on [[User talk:This lousy T-shirt|my talk page]] or type ''{{tl|helpme}}'' at the bottom of this page. I love to help new users, so don't be afraid to leave a message!  I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:
-* [[Wikipedia:Introduction|Introduction]]
-* [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
-* [[Wikipedia:How to edit a page|How to edit a page]]
-* [[Help:Contents|Help pages]]
-* [[Wikipedia:Article development|How to write a great article]]
-*[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Ten_Simple_Rules_for_Editing_Wikipedia Ten Simple Rules for Editing Wikipedia].
-I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Also, when you post on [[Wikipedia:Talk page|talk pages]] you should [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] using four tildes (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>); that should automatically produce your username and the date after your post.  Again, welcome!
-I think Conservapedia needs a better greeting. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 19:02, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
-:I agree--I've had my eye on that welcome message for almost a year now, but never really put my mind to redoing it altogether.  As time allows, I'll see what I can put together.  Do you think it should still incorporate the "useful links" template, or have its own seprate links which we could format and explain better?  --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:10, 19 June 2017 (EDT)
-:::Can you have something like Wikipedia's welcome? There's is much better.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 01:01, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
-::::I'll see what I can do.  It might take some time--I have almost no free time right now. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:51, 20 June 2017 (EDT)
-:::::What should I name the new one? We already have "welcome" and "welcome2" templates. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 17:21, 21 June 2017 (EDT)
-::::::You could do "welcome3" or "welcomeCP". --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 01:39, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
-::::::I just saw the "Greeting" template you created. Is there a chance you could give it a patriotic coloring scheme, kind of like the one we usually use? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 01:43, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
-:::::::I wasn't sure I wanted to go up to "welcome3" but "welcomeCP" could certainly work.  Anyway, changing the coloring is a good idea.  I'll do a little experimentation, and see what works. Red and blue are complimentary colors, but somehow the combo often seems a little harsh somehow.  Maybe I can find a good shade combo though.  Thanks for the suggestion! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 19:05, 22 June 2017 (EDT)
-EdPoor just changed the background color of the welcome template. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 09:16, 23 June 2017 (EDT)
-== Updated my post to Aschlafly's talk page.  Here is the updated version ==
-Have the word "Welcome!" under/above a pic of a welcome fruit basket. Please see Google images to get an idea of welcome fruit baskets: [https://www.google.com/search?q=welcome+basket&rlz=1C1PRFG_enUS744US744&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiHyI_c0trUAhUH0oMKHeMQDy4Q_AUICygC&biw=819&bih=510#tbm=isch&q=welcome+fruit+basket Google images - Welcome fruit baskets]. Here are some FREE IMAGES of welcome fruit baskets at: https://pixabay.com/en/photos/?hp=&image_type=&cat=&min_width=&min_height=&q=fruit+basket&order=
-Or for $1.00 you can get a stock photo of a welcome fruit basket at: https://www.shutterstock.com/search/similar/350093981
-I hope this helps. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 00:27, 26 June 2017 (EDT)
-== Email ==
-I sent you an email about a question I have. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 03:34, 29 June 2017 (EDT)
-:I sent you another one. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 10:21, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
-::Replied --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 10:34, 5 September 2017 (EDT)
-== Image question ==
-I was also looking to add an image to [[Rare (company)]], hopefully of the company logo, but I was just wondering if that was allowed under "Fair use" or not? I am not an expert in copyright law, and I know that this site takes that very seriously. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:17, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
-:Hi,
-:That's not a bad idea, but we won't generally use trademarks without permission.  While WP regularly does so, or simply declares them public domain, we try to better respect the owners' rights.  If you want to use their logo, I would suggest asking them if that is alright.  If we can get written permission, then I or any other SysOp would be happy to upload it.  However, without permission from them, we probably should not use it.  You could as Andy for a second opinion, of course, but especailly with his background in law, he probably will be inclined to stay on the safe side.  If you can find some image related to them, but not owned by them, that may also be usable.  For example, a photograph of Rare's CEO which has been released under Creative Commons or Public Domain guidelines could be used. It's up to you, but we probably shouldn't use their logo without asking.  Thanks for checking, and your work on this article! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 20:40, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
-::Since Rare is owned by Microsoft, it seems that [http://www.xbox.com/en-US/Legal/XboxComTOU these terms] (see "COPYRIGHT AND TRADEMARK NOTICES") apply. While not clearly applicable to Rare, this seems likely, since Rare links to those terms.
-::Since Microsoft owns it, a request to use materials would probably ulttimately go through them.  Send it to Rare at first, but probably it will end up at Microsoft.  In my experience (and that of others), it has been very hard to get a response from them. You can still try, though--Rare might respond instead, too. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 20:47, 15 July 2017 (EDT)
-:::I'm going to email Rare/Microsoft tomorrow morning, although I don't suspect any sort of response. I will try to find an alternative because I've noticed articles are a lot more pleasant for readers to view when there are a few relevant pictures. --[[User:Anglican|Anglican]] ([[User talk:Anglican|talk]]) 14:12, 16 July 2017 (EDT)
-::::Okay, that sounds like a good plan.  It is nice to have some kind of related image. I wish it was easier, but thanks for trying! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 11:03, 17 July 2017 (EDT)
-== Gender ideology ==
-Hi, you reverted my last contribution in [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Gender_ideology&diff=prev&oldid=1363294 here] that I spent quite some time on, without giving any good reason. May you pls. explain? Thanx --[[User:AK|AK]] ([[User talk:AK|talk]]) 02:39, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
-:BTW, I restored the page. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 10:06, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
-::Wow!! I'm terribly sorry, that was a mistake.  I must have hit it while I was reverting a portion of the last vandalism wave. Thank you for noticing, and thank you 1990&#39;sguy for restoring it! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 15:48, 26 July 2017 (EDT)
-== Move requests ==
-I have two categories that I am requesting for you to move: [[:Category:Globalist]] to [[:Category:Globalists]], and [[:Category:Nationalist]] to [[:Category:Nationalists]]. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 15:56, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
-:Good suggestions--done.  I can move the pages using my bot later. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 22:39, 7 August 2017 (EDT)
-Hello David, would you please move these two categories: [[:Category:Media personalities]] to [[:Category:Media Personalities]], and [[:Category:High schools]] to [[:Category:High Schools]]? Also, would you please use your bot to move every article with those categories to the new category name? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 15:02, 28 August 2017 (EDT)
-:Done. The images in [[:Category:Media personalities]] were protected so they could not be moved.  All the rest are taken care of. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 15:59, 28 August 2017 (EDT)
-==Thanks==
-Thank you for your assistance.  Although the parenthetical helps a bit, two separate bullets would be cleaner in making clear what "President Trump expressed".  Please look at: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Donald_Trump_achievements:_Criminal_justice,_law_enforcement,_and_other_DOJ_matters&diff=1368054&oldid=1368043 this proposal.]  Many thanks, [[User:JDano|JDano]] ([[User talk:JDano|talk]]) 21:23, 18 August 2017 (EDT)
-:I commented on it and I oppose any bullet points on the article solely regarding the 2016 campaign, for the record. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 21:25, 18 August 2017 (EDT)
-== IP blocks ==
-Out of curiosity, how do you know all of those IPs are proxies? If it's a server farm, I try and block the whole range, but some of those aren't blocked on Wikipedia, so I'm curious as to how you identified them as proxies. [[User:DMorris|DMorris]] ([[User talk:DMorris|talk]]) 16:34, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
-:It varies--Some are from backtraces done on vandals who I've dealt with before, others are actually scraped directly from the hosts, while yet others are gathered directly through the usage of such services. I know that these are proxies, because most of these have come directly from the providers. The remaining ones I'm using have been gathered mostly from IP traces.
-:If we wanted to use them, there are even openly published lists of addresses, which could probably be blocked outright.  I haven't been using those yet, but it is an option. I hope this clarifies.  Also, thanks for the advice--as you probably saw, I did check with Andy on this first. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 16:47, 23 August 2017 (EDT)
-:Also, ranges can definitely be most powerful and effective, but in this case all I have are specific addresses.  These are specifically found addresses, and nothing more.  They may leave a lot of holes, but I'd rather have these blocked than nothing at all.
-== Copied article ==
-A lot of the article [[Steppenwolf]] appears to be copied from [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Steppenwolf_(band)&oldid=796579357 the Wikipedia version]. Should it be deleted? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 19:33, 26 August 2017 (EDT)
-:Yes, it is not just on Wikipedia, but on a number of other sites (plagiarized by them too?) as I mentioned on the [[Talk:Steppenwolf|talk page]] awhile back.  I think it probably should be deleted, since it clearly is from Wikipedia, and Wikipedia version have been worked on by many different users, so it is obviously not the work of one person.  I had lost track of this issue, so thanks for the reminder! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 00:44, 28 August 2017 (EDT)
-== Delete article? ==
-Should we delete this article: [[Julia Gasper]]? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 18:16, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
-:It needs work, but it doesn't seem to be plagiarized.  I was included to leave it and see what GraceDalrymple does with it. Do you think it should be? --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:21, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
-::I just attempted to do a little touch-up. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:35, 14 September 2017 (EDT)
-== Your input ==
-Is this a bad edit: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Chivalry&curid=1989&diff=1374996&oldid=1262366]? While our culture is becoming very "gender-neutral," I'm not sure that it changes the definition of chivalry to be between anyone. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:36, 18 September 2017 (EDT)
-:I've been pondering the same question. [https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/chivalry merriam-webster] doesn't really specify, although some other sites like [http://www.wordnik.com/words/chivalry wordnik] do.  Since it is an idea from the medieval times, and related to proper behavior for knights, it was inherently relevant to men. I don't know if it is gender exclusive, or just by convention never really applied to women. I'm tempted to revert it just because the history of the word suggests it still should only apply to men.
-:I was pretty sure I've seen this exact edit before, too, but I don't see it in the page history. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:43, 18 September 2017 (EDT)
-What do you think about this article? [[Peregrin Chronicles]]? I don't have time right now to review it in-depth myself. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:50, 19 September 2017 (EDT)
-:I don't think I can be much help with this one either.  I've never heard of the series before. It  exists, but that's about all I've been able to verify so far. It looks like their [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/676468266/the-aliens-have-landed-the-peregrin-chronicles-com kickstarter] didn't get much support, either. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 00:50, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
-Here's another one: [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Internet_evangelism&curid=105140&diff=1375410&oldid=1271896] I'm inclined to let this edit stay, but I'm still not a fan of people removing information. Also, sorry for throwing all these at you. I'll try to tackle some of these myself after this. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 15:03, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
-:That one looks fine to me--they are adding verifiable details. No need to apologize--I'm happy to help.  A second set of eyes and opinion never hurts. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 15:13, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
-:The accusation from [http://www.billionbibles.org/global-media-outreach.html billionbibles.org] that they are too focused on the human decision to "pray the prayer" does seem to be somewhat valid.  However, I don't think that is the best place for it.  In any case, God has used Campus Crusade, so although they may be a little shallow, I don't think we need to include this information in such a short blurb on them. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 15:18, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
-::Thanks for the detail on that, DavidB4. I hope the page on Global Media Outreach, which I edited earlier this year, adds enough objective detail to explain. We can discuss the "human decision to 'pray the prayer'" if you like, but ultimately the gospel presentation is the tip of the iceberg, and we have thousands of Online Missionaries trained to follow up with them and verify their expressed reaction to the Good News. [http://esv.to/John1.12 John 1:12] and [http://esv.to/Rom10.9-12 Romans 10:9-13] are there to explain that there is a required move on a human being's part, and asking God for salvation seems like a perfectly straightforward way to do it, as long as the person doesn't see prayer as a recitation obligating God to give them eternal life, if that makes sense. For balance, it doesn't seem as if it can simply be a realization of a truth, or even that along with an emotional experience. As Campus Crusade's 4 Laws (which we use a version of) states, "It is not enough just to know these three laws, we must individually receive Jesus Christ as Savior and Lord; then we can know and experience God's love and plan for our lives ...Receiving Christ involves turning to God from self (repentance) and trusting Christ to come into our lives to forgive our sins and to make us what He wants us to be. Just to agree intellectually that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and that He died on the cross for our sins is not enough. Nor is it enough to have an emotional expereince. We receive Jesus Christ by faith, as an act of the will." Prayer can be an expression of that trust and will, although it isn't always formal, as is shown in Acts 10:44. --[[User:Abranch|<font color="#400080">Abranch</font>]] <sup>([[User Abranch|TALK]])</sup> Wed Sep 20 2017 17:10:49 GMT-0500 (CDT)
-:::That is exactly right--I'm glad to hear those are your beliefs!  Admittedly, my experience with Campus Crusade is limited to contact with one local chapter. I've never gotten into the full organization, so it's possible that things were represented slightly differently to me than is typical. I also have been out of contact with them for a little while now. I will take a look at the page you revised at some point. Thanks for your contributions so far!  --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:24, 20 September 2017 (EDT)
-Here's an article that might need a page move: [[Homework]] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 16:36, 21 September 2017 (EDT)
-:Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:51, 21 September 2017 (EDT)
-== Email spam? ==
-Is my email address in your spam folder again? I sent you an email a few days ago and am curious at the lack of response (though it's not important anymore). --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:16, 25 September 2017 (EDT)
-:Yes, it seems your message got lost in the noise.  I already have written some rules which should be allowing all messages from CP users, but for some reason it's not working quire right.  My apologies! I've relied to your message, though as you said, it's a bit late now. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 09:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
-::Maybe it's the name I use for my email address, "1990" for the first name and "sguy" for the last name? I have had some minor problems with my CP/WP/etc. email address before. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 16:26, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
-:::Yeah, I think that's it.  A lot of "marketing" (spam) corporations like to use algorithmically generated names, containing numbers and other gibberish.  I think a batch of rules I set up early-on (before I knew better) flagged addresses starting with numbers for that reason.  I think I've cleared out the offending rules. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 16:34, 26 September 2017 (EDT)
-== Your welcome message ==
-On the user talk page [[User talk:NeilG]], someone put your newly designed welcome/template message.
-Please change the color of the blue background. The dark blue combined with the black text is not the easiest to read. There is not enough contrast between those colors.
-As far as a color I suggest using some shade of yellow or possibly a creamy yellow color such as [https://i.pinimg.com/736x/3e/66/18/3e6618ad619db4d45c168d4c8dd04ea4--dutch-boy-paint-colors-paint-colours.jpg THIS COLOR] or a light parchment color such as [http://www.art-paints.com/Paints/Acrylic/DecoArt/Americana/Light-Parchment/Light-Parchment.gif THIS COLOR].
-In short, the black type should be on a lighter background. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]])
-:Thanks for the suggestion! I haven't made any changes yet, but I just want to let you know I am playing with it.  I was trying to stick with the red-white-blue theme, as requested by others, but I'll try deviating from that theme.  I though the background was light enough for the black text, but even if it is, the blue links don't work on blue.   I suppose I could do a dark background and light text, too.  I'll see what I can do to make it more clear. If I cant't find something I like, I'll at least make an edit to improve it soon. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 14:35, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
-::Is [http://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Template:Greeting&oldid=1379860 this] more like what you were thinking of? --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 02:14, 9 October 2017 (EDT)
-== Image copyright ==
-Considering the "Personality rights warning" tag, is there any problem in uploading this image? [https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Official_portrait_of_Mr_Jacob_Rees-Mogg.jpg] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:39, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
-:Also, in addition to the Corporate tyranny article (if you are still planning on it), would you please add that box-format code to the list of corporate supporters in the [[Southern Poverty Law Center]] and [[Leadership Conference on Civil and Human Rights]] articles? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:52, 4 October 2017 (EDT)
-::It sounds to me like we can use that image.  They seem to just be saying that although the images is CC licensed, Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg still has legal claim on his likeness.  This is nothing new, since every photograph of a person is like this.  It should be fine to go for it.
-::I wasn't aware of those pages needing it, but yes, I can probably do it.  Doing this takes a fair amount of time, but also I need preview frequently. Right now, I'me getting 500 errors about 60% of the time, so I can't count on it lot loosing my work. (Submitting this took 3 tries and 2 minutes) Once things stabilize, I'll give it a go. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 01:51, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
-:::BTW, I learned recently that if you make an edit and the internal server error (why in the world is it happening so much now?) come on, you can just press the refresh button and your edit will still be saved. You don't need to worry about your information being lost. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 11:43, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
-::::Good point! I've noticed that sometimes works, but I've had times when it doesn't.  However, some browsers hold information from past pages.  I'm using [[Vivaldi (web browser)|Vivaldi]], which does this.  In case of a 500 error, I can just hit back and it instantly loads back the past (edit) page with my edits.  I think a number of them do this, including Firefox.  I don't know if this works for you.
-::::Conservative thinks its due to D/DoS attacks--I don't know if this is the case or not, but it could be.  The server responds, but there seems to be some problem in the server's internal services; download requests are not handled properly.  Sometimes the requests are not served at all, and other times an incomplete answer is provided.  It sounds to me more like a problem with the server processing power or software.  However, it could be a simple DoS/DDoS an attack.  I have also noticed that certain queries available to the public on this site can take several minutes.  Run 100 of those simultaneously, and it could load down the server too. Anyway, I've discontinued all my bot activity, which is about all I can do. It will clear up eventually. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 14:26, 5 October 2017 (EDT)
-:::::David, in addition to the tables, would you please upload the image of Rees-Mogg for me? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:32, 6 October 2017 (EDT)
-::::::There are still a lot of pending upload requests, but if you want me to do it so I will be liable, I suppose I can at some point.  I'm busy putting out other fires at the moment.  --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 21:28, 9 October 2017 (EDT)
-As requested, uploaded as [[:File:Official portrait of Mr Jacob Rees-Mogg.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 13:45, 17 October 2017 (EDT)
-:Thanks! --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 16:10, 17 October 2017 (EDT)
-== Move request ==
-I hate to have four links starting with "Breitbart" leading to the same location, but would you please move [[Breitbart.com]] to [[Breitbart News]]? That is how they refer to themselves. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:07, 20 October 2017 (EDT)
-:Sure, done!  Four does seem like a bit much, but this is a good suggestion. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 00:10, 23 October 2017 (EDT)
-Hello DavidB4, I have some more requests:
-*Please move [[:Category:2016 presidential election]] to [[:Category:2016 Presidential Election]], and please use your bot to change the category name in the individual articles with it
-*Please do the exact same thing with [[:Category:American war heroes]], [[:Category:Population politics]], [[:Category:United States Air Force aircraft]], [[:Category:Heads of government]], and [[:Category:Current Heads of government]].
-*Please move [[:Category:Neoconservative]] to [[:Category:Neoconservatives]], and use your bot to move the individual articles.
-*Please movie [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] to the more recognizable name of [[:File:European Union flag.png]], and then please move the name on the linked articles
-If There are any protected pages/files in any of the categories, I will ask Andy afterward to move them, as well as to delete the redirects. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 11:09, 24 November 2017 (EST)
-:In addition to my above requests, do you know how to get the table at [[Conservative news websites]] to show up at the top of the article? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 12:57, 24 November 2017 (EST)
-::It seems the table was not closed properly, so the Wiki was confused--I've fixed that.  I'll move those pages soon, but this is a very busy week for me, so it may take a little time.  Feel free to remind me if I don't do them in a few days. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 16:36, 27 November 2017 (EST)
-::Also, it appears that [[:File:567rugyhj.png]] is protected, so I cannot move it.  It will need to be unlocked first, which I have requested. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 20:00, 27 November 2017 (EST)
-==Thanks for the message==
-To David,
-Thank you for your reminder. I will add them up as soon as possible. There are some sources that are conservative but in foreign languages, I will add them as soon as possible.
-:Okay, thank you! Even if in a foreign language, it would be a good idea to include them...They were your information source, so they deserve credit.  Anyway, you probably know all this--I just figured I'd mention it.  Thank you! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 01:35, 2 November 2017 (EDT)