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It's possible it's a good faith editor simply declaring their experience or expertise in a given field under their real name. It is doubtful someone in New York or Illinois is going to call her to unclog a stuffed toilet. Foghorn Leghorn^{Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?} 06:12, October 9, 2026 (EDT)

Check the moderation log. There are at least three bots running campaigns against CP. Two of them are SEO bots, creating an account with a brief write-up on the user page, and a single link to a website or page which someone is paying to promote. The other SEO bot creates a user page with a link as well, but then also posts an barely-readable article which makes no coherent sense and includes HTML tags which are incompatible with Wiki Markup. The "article" sometimes includes promoted links as well, but often not, so as to lend credence to the idea that this bot account is legitimate. And yes, I said at least three bots. There is at least one more bot, mass-registering accounts for future use, but letting the accounts "age" in hopes that makes them look more trustworthy when they are eventually used.

To ensure I'm not blocking anyone legitimate, I'm allowing the mass-registrations. 98% of them are held by spam bots, but they haven't done anything yet, so I don't want to risk blocking a real user who is lost in the horde.--DavidB4 ^(TALK) 18:51, October 9, 2026 (EDT)

And by the way, the article content, and the text in the "bio" are irrelevant. They are just filler to make the account look legitimate. The only goal is to publish the link. Then the bot can grab a screenshot, and charge the website or service for one additional posting of the promoted link. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 18:58, October 9, 2026 (EDT)

Thanks for clarifying that. Foghorn Leghorn^{Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?} 03:20, October 10, 2026 (EDT)

Thus saith China's technology! Let the world know that April 2022 was not a pivotal month for decades to come!

China is an ally of Russia. Personal remark removed Personal remark removed

Summary of Deepseek's analysis

Verdict:

"Your essay is more sound. It is more precise in its claim, more rigorous in its use of evidence, more systematic in its structure, more honest about uncertainty, and more serious in its engagement with the strongest opposing arguments. Personal remark removed

Personal remark removed It means that, as an essay—as a piece of reasoning designed to establish a conclusion—yours is the stronger work."

Conservapedians, my essay has more machismo! On behalf of all reasonable people in the world, I declare victory! Olé! Olé! Olé!

Conservapedians, my essay has more machismo!

I trust this further clarifies matters. Conservative (talk) 08:35, October 20, 2026 (EDT)

You should probably be aware, that I cannot consider a talking toaster, to be the autoritative voice of truth. LLMs are useful tools, but so is fire, and I don't trust fire to always do the right thing, either.

By the way, when you are copy-and-pasting this essay into talk pages, you are also adding those talk pages to categories they don't belong in. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 19:01, October 20, 2026 (EDT)

I agree with you that AIs are not the authoritive voice of truth. When I use them to create content, I fairly often use 6 AIs and part of the reason is to have AIs check AIs in terms of error checking and/or gap analysis. I then check the content for errors too. So I look at AIs as tools, but not authoritative voices of truth. At the same time, Personal remark removed

I also treat search engines as useful tools and not authoritative voices of truth. Conservative (talk) 20:08, October 20, 2026 (EDT)

Someone being more a fanboy of those hostile powers than their own technology is, does say a lot. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 20:23, October 20, 2026 (EDT)

DavidB4, the intelligence in artificial intelligence reflects the intelligence of the programmers and its obviously not the intelligence of the machines. Like a toaster is designed to toast. A chess program is designed to win chess games. ChatGPT/Claude is designed by programmers to write content and do other things as well. The general trend of AI is that it is getting better. Conservative (talk) 12:24, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

Take a look at this article: The Multi‑Model Writing Pipeline: How Different AIs Excel at Different Cognitive Jobs. Conservative (talk) 12:30, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

Another point: I have noticed that when a person engages in motivated reasoning an AI often can beat them in terms providing superior information. Conservative (talk) 12:56, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

Take a look at the false premises User:Conservative inputs in AI

RobSmith never 'praised' Deepseek. RobSmith is not any kind of an expert to compare one AI system with another, nor has he ever used Deepseek. RobSmith simply added a link from the US Department of Defense to refute User:Conservative's racist & deceptive Essay that China was incapable of innovation. See talk

Someone has a reading comprehension problem. The article in question is Essay: Communist China’s quixotic quest to innovate: A statist economy can’t make creativity greatly blossom. The article focuses on "A statist economy can't make creativity greatly blossum". To my knowledge the Taiwanese Chinese are very much making their creativity greatly blossum. Conservative (talk) 13:57, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

The point is, I never "praised" or "favored" Deepseek {see talk). You lie and spam vicious personal attacks. Foghorn Leghorn^{Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?} 14:03, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

I quote: "The advantage of DeepSeek, as I understand it, is that it is just a prototype (meaning it's far from a finished product and allows for many many future innovations) and is much cheaper. And a "high income" country will never be able to compete with the cost of it. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 00:25, January 29, 2025 (EST)"

Last time I checked, companies compete on more than just cost (Starbucks) - although cost can be a competitive factor as well (Walmart). Conservative (talk) 14:08, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

Okay, you got me there. But that's a subjective interpretation of "praise". Most people agree a cheaper product has advantages.

Again, you pointedly state China cannot compete. Foghorn Leghorn^{Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?} 14:15, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

Question: if China's efforts to innovate are "Quixotic", why then did the US Navy ban usage of Deepseek?

Blanked pages and Karajou's bird content

User:Conservative gave me the same spiel about SEO and talked me into deleting the pages. I asked him if it was okay with Andy, cause they were created by Karajou and it may look like I was being vindictive. He told me Andy gave consent to delete the pages. There are hundreds of them, and after about a half day of deleting, Andy put the kibosh on it.

Deleting didn't sit well with Karajou, either.

My impression: just one more instance of User:Conservative's manipulative and sociopathic behavior, lying, and attempt to promote himself at the expense of others. Alternatively, if Andy indeed gave User:Conservative permission to delete the pages, it's one more instance of Andy's crackdown on "excessive talk" backfiring. Foghorn Leghorn^{Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?} 11:36, October 21, 2026 (EDT)

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+==What makes you think it's an Advertising account?==
+[https://www.conservapedia.com/Special:Contributions/WillSchreffler]
-== Move request ==
+It's possible it's a [[good faith]] editor simply declaring their experience or expertise in a given field under their real name. It is doubtful someone in New York or Illinois is going to call her to unclog a stuffed [[toilet]]. [[User:RobSmith|Foghorn Leghorn]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 06:12, October 9, 2026 (EDT)
-Hallo.  I need your help to move two pages as I made errors in their titles.
+:Check the moderation log. There are at least three bots running campaigns against CP. Two of them are SEO bots, creating an account with a brief write-up on the user page, and a single link to a website or page which someone is paying to promote. The other SEO bot creates a user page with a link as well, but then also posts an barely-readable article which makes no coherent sense and includes HTML tags which are incompatible with Wiki Markup. The "article" sometimes includes promoted links as well, but often not, so as to lend credence to the idea that this bot account is legitimate. And yes, I said at least three bots. There is at least one more bot, mass-registering accounts for future use, but letting the accounts "age" in hopes that makes them look more trustworthy when they are eventually used.
-One of them is "Sarah Brown Liberal Democrat".
+:To ensure I'm not blocking anyone legitimate, I'm allowing the mass-registrations. 98% of them are held by spam bots, but they haven't done anything yet, so I don't want to risk blocking a real user who is lost in the horde.--[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:51, October 9, 2026 (EDT)
-It has been suggested I change this to "Sarah Brown (UK Politician)" as most readers are American. I just need to figure out how to do this.
-The second is "Jane Samantha Fae alias John Ozimek" which should read Jane Francesca Fae. I would be very grateful if you could please shift those for me. [[User:GraceDalrymple|GraceDalrymple]]
+:And by the way, the article content, and the text in the "bio" are irrelevant. They are just filler to make the account look legitimate. The only goal is to publish the link. Then the bot can grab a screenshot, and charge the website or service for one additional posting of the promoted link. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:58, October 9, 2026 (EDT)
-:Yes, I saw the discussion. I have moved those two pages, as requested. Moving pages is restricted to administrators and SysOps, so it is not your fault, as if you just can't figure out how to move pages...the wiki will not let you. No need to feel bad about it!
+::Thanks for clarifying that. [[User:RobSmith|Foghorn Leghorn]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 03:20, October 10, 2026 (EDT)
-:I am happy to help, so just let me know if/when you need further assistance. It's no trouble! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 14:41, 27 September 2018 (EDT)
+== Thus saith China's technology! Let the world know that April 2022 was not a pivotal month for decades to come! ==
-Would you please move [[Qanon]] to [[QAnon]]? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 09:37, 3 November 2018 (EDT)
+China is an ally of Russia.  {{Personal remark removed}}
-:In addition to the above, would you please move [[:Category:Christian social reformers]] for capitalization. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 15:58, 4 November 2018 (EST)
+{{Personal remark removed}}
-::Both done --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:00, 6 November 2018 (EST)
-Another move request: would you please fix the spelling error in this image title (the word "official" specifically)? [[:File:Enrique Peña Nieto oficial pic.jpg]] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 15:15, 1 December 2018 (EST)
+=== Summary of Deepseek's analysis ===
-:I think that actually may be deliberate (see: https://www.facebook.com/Enrique-Peña-Nieto-Oficial-1708563375863631). I don't mind moving it if you still think that is needed, but it is protected so someone will need to unlock it first. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 17:28, 1 December 2018 (EST)
+'''Verdict:'''
-::Good point -- it's probably Spanish. However, we are an English-language encyclopedia, so it might still be good to change it. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 08:38, 3 December 2018 (EST)
+"Your essay is more sound. It is more precise in its claim, more rigorous in its use of evidence, more systematic in its structure, more honest about uncertainty, and more serious in its engagement with the strongest opposing arguments. {{Personal remark removed}}
-:::My Spanish is very rusty, but that was my assumption.  I'm fine with moving it though.  Want me to ask Andy to unlock it? --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 22:30, 3 December 2018 (EST)
+{{Personal remark removed}} It means that, as an essay—as a piece of reasoning designed to establish a conclusion—yours is the stronger work."
-::::I would appreciate that. Thanks! --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:10, 3 December 2018 (EST)
+Conservapedians, my essay has more machismo!  On behalf of all reasonable people in the world, I declare victory! Olé! Olé! Olé!
+<br>
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+[[File:Triumphant-bullfighter.jpg|thumbnail|700px|center|Conservapedians, my essay has more machismo!]]
+<br>
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+I trust this further clarifies matters. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 08:35, October 20, 2026 (EDT)
-:::::Done! [[:File:Enrique Peña Nieto oficial pic.jpg]] --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 22:05, 4 December 2018 (EST)
+:You should probably be aware, that I cannot consider a talking toaster, to be the autoritative voice of truth. LLMs are useful tools, but so is fire, and I don't trust fire to always do the right thing, either.
+:By the way, when you are copy-and-pasting this essay into talk pages, you are also adding those talk pages to categories they don't belong in. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 19:01, October 20, 2026 (EDT)
+::I agree with you that AIs are not the authoritive voice of truth.  When I use them to create content, I fairly often use 6 AIs and part of the reason is to have AIs check AIs in terms of error checking and/or gap analysis. I then check the content for errors too. So I look at AIs as tools, but not authoritative voices of truth. At the same time, {{Personal remark removed}}
-::::::Would you please move this page to capitalize the "M": [[Javier milei]]? Also, please watch your email. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 17:03, 6 December 2018 (EST)
+::I also treat search engines as useful tools and not authoritative voices of truth. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 20:08, October 20, 2026 (EDT)
-:::::::Moved.  I just thinking about email... --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 17:05, 6 December 2018 (EST)
+:::Someone being more a fanboy of those hostile powers than their own technology is, does say a lot. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">DavidB4</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 20:23, October 20, 2026 (EDT)
-::::::::Would you please move [[Ilana mercer]] to [[Ilana Mercer]] and delete the new redirect? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 08:48, 11 December 2018 (EST)
+::::DavidB4, the intelligence in artificial intelligence reflects the intelligence of the programmers and its obviously not the intelligence of the machines.  Like a toaster is designed to toast.  A chess program is designed to win chess games.  ChatGPT/Claude is designed by programmers to write content and do other things as well.  The general trend of AI is that it is getting better. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:24, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
+:::::Take a look at this article: [https://efficiencyandmanagement.blogspot.com/2026/09/the-multimodel-writing-pipeline-how.html The Multi‑Model Writing Pipeline: How Different AIs Excel at Different Cognitive Jobs]. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:30, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
+::::::Another point: I have noticed that when a person engages in [[motivated reasoning]] an AI often can beat them in terms providing superior information. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 12:56, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-Done.  I have been sometimes leaving the redirects (for a while) so that new editors who don't know how to use RC can still find their pages.  However, that may be unnecessary, and since I see you usually delete the redirect anyway, I will plan on just deleting the redirect in the future. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 17:29, 11 December 2018 (EST)
+===Take a look at the false premises [[User:Conservative]] inputs in AI===
-:Thanks! Regarding redirects, I guess it depends on the specific article. I'm fine deciding case-by-case, since redirects might be more necessary for some articles over others. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 17:36, 11 December 2018 (EST)
+RobSmith never 'praised' Deepseek. RobSmith is not any kind of an expert to compare one AI system with another, nor has he ever used Deepseek. RobSmith simply added a link from the [[US Department of Defense]] to refute [[User:Conservative]]'s [[racist]] & [[deceptive]] Essay that [[China]] was incapable of [[innovation]].  [https://www.conservapedia.com/Essay:_Communist_China%E2%80%99s_quixotic_quest_to_innovate:_A_statist_economy_can%E2%80%99t_make_creativity_greatly_blossom See talk]
-::Hello DavidB4, would you please move [[Eastern Empires vs Western Empires]] to be an essay? I would rather delete it, but it just seems like a low-quality opinion article that could just be reformatted as such. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 15:13, 20 December 2018 (EST)
+:Someone has a reading comprehension problem.  The article in question is [[Essay: Communist China’s quixotic quest to innovate: A statist economy can’t make creativity greatly blossom]].  The article focuses on "A statist economy can't make creativity greatly blossum". To my knowledge the Taiwanese Chinese are very much making their creativity greatly blossum. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 13:57, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
+::The point is, I never "praised" or "favored" Deepseek {[https://www.conservapedia.com/Talk:Essay:_Communist_China%E2%80%99s_quixotic_quest_to_innovate:_A_statist_economy_can%E2%80%99t_make_creativity_greatly_blossom#Liberal_claptrap see talk]). You [[lie]] and [[spam]] vicious [[personal attacks]]. [[User:RobSmith|Foghorn Leghorn]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 14:03, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
+:::I quote: "The advantage of DeepSeek, as I understand it, is that it is just a prototype (meaning it's far from a finished product and allows for many many future innovations) and is much cheaper. And a "high income" country will never be able to compete with the cost of it. RobSThe Truth. Just Putin It Out There 00:25, January 29, 2025 (EST)"
-:::Done. I was tempted to delete it also, especially considering that it seems to have been made by a disposable account.  However, I was waiting to see what others thought. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 17:02, 20 December 2018 (EST)
+:::Last time I checked, companies compete on more than just cost (Starbucks) - although cost can be a competitive factor as well (Walmart). [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 14:08, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-While I'm reluctant to rename my "Donald Trump achievements" articles so long after creation, it probably would be a good idea to move [[Donald Trump achievements: Immigration, illegal immigration, and border security]] to [[Donald Trump achievements: Immigration and border security]]. If you agree this is a good idea, would you please do it, and would you then delete the redirect and change every link where I (or someone else) has linked it? Then, I will begin doing the 2-3 article splits I told you about. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 08:35, 31 December 2018 (EST)
+::::Okay, you got me there. But that's a subjective interpretation of "praise". Most people agree a cheaper product has advantages.
-:I agree--that is a repetitive name, so a move makes sense.  I have moved the page, and clean up most of the links to the old name.  However, I have a little bit of a time crunch right now, so I'm going to need to leave one thing undone: [[Donald Trump]] needs to be unlocked so the link can be updated.  I can ask for the unlock later, or you can if you get there first. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 17:02, 31 December 2018 (EST)
+::::Again, you pointedly state [[China]] cannot compete.  [[User:RobSmith|Foghorn Leghorn]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 14:15, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-==Hi==
+:'''Question:''' if China's efforts to [[innovate]] are "Quixotic", why then did the [[US Navy]] ban usage of Deepseek?
-hi and thank you for move sugguestion to sting. [[User:Massaq25|Massaq25]] ([[User talk:Massaq25|talk]]) 18:23, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
-:Hello, and you're welcome!  Do you agree? I'm open to other suggestions, I just don't think that "sting" is a sufficiently descriptive title. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:27, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
-::DavidB4, I would appreciate it if you would move the page now. No need for a move tag (nobody's going to comment there anyway). --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 23:29, 29 September 2018 (EDT)
-:::Moved to [[Steve Borden]] with a redirect from "Sting (wrestler)" --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 01:09, 30 September 2018 (EDT)
-== Quotes ==
+==Blanked pages and Karajou's bird content==
-Those quotes weren't my own, you should know that, they're from actual people. Also, if it's debatable, then please by all means...refute me. --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 02:48, 1 December 2018 (EST)
-:I'm obviously not DavidB4, but I will still point out that a simple Google search shows it's very debatable: [https://health.usnews.com/health-news/health-wellness/articles/2014/07/07/is-abstinence-unhealthy 1],[http://www.nbcnews.com/id/36084314/ns/health-sexual_health/t/no-sex-may-be-no-fun-it-unhealthy/#.XAKfVmhKhPY 2],[https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jun/09/sex-celibacy-friendships-women 3],[https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1077378/I-gave-sex-years-ago--best-thing-I-did.html 4] -- the info you added was undue weight, considering the overall size of the article, and it falsely implied that abstinence is a bad thing for your health. It appears that it is only when you really want to have sex and you don't. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 09:58, 1 December 2018 (EST)
-::Yes, it was a very one-sided argument, which is factually questionable.  Without getting unnecessarily descriptive, the body does have ways of dealing with some of the stated issues.  Research is sketchy if even existent on several of the things you mentioned. Additionally, the first paragraph was written as your own, mot a quote, even though is was a direct copy-and-paste from another source.  (That is by definition plagiarism--taking credit for someone else's work.) --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 13:03, 1 December 2018 (EST)
-::: ''So what are the health benefits of sex, besides relieving stress and helping you fall asleep? Studies have shown that regular sex has a protective effect on the heart, lowering the risk of heart attack in men. For both men and women, “It increases blood flow to the genitals and probably helps the immune system,” Herbenick says. “All things being equal, it’s also fun when things are going well [in your relationship.]”
-''So abstaining – especially long-term – can carry some physical consequences. In women, it can cause the atrophying of underused vaginal or hip muscles, Lindau says. Vaginismus is a common condition characterized by hypersensitivity of the muscles around the opening of the vagina, she adds. Those muscles – along with the pelvic floor muscles – are important for controlling penetration, and they need to be in a relaxed state during sexual intercourse. If they are hyper-contracted – not necessarily from abstinence itself, but accumulated fear or anticipation of the first sexual experience – sex can be very painful. “They say it feels like he’s hit a wall,” Lindausays, adding that vaginismus can be treated.''
-I said refute me, but instead you give me extra arguments. Thank you so much. --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 14:20, 1 December 2018 (EST)
+[[User:Conservative]] gave me the same spiel about [[SEO]] and talked me into deleting the pages. I asked him if it was okay with Andy, cause they were created by Karajou and it may look like I was being vindictive. He told me Andy gave consent to delete the pages. There are hundreds of them, and after about a half day of deleting, Andy put the kibosh on it.
-:Neither of us are arguing that sex is bad or harmful -- all of the articles I cited said that sex can be good, but abstinence can also be good. You're committing a fallacy by assuming that just because sex is good means that abstinence is bad.
-:Unless you get STDs or anything like that from sex, it is just as good as abstinence. The articles made it clear that abstinence does not have harmful side-effects. You need to read the cited articles better. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 14:30, 1 December 2018 (EST)
+Deleting didn't sit well with Karajou, either.
-::: I guess the only real way to settle this is to get actual data from the field. [[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 15:18, 1 December 2018 (EST)
-::::Makuta, are you pushing sex outside of marriage between husband and wife in this website?  [[User:Karajou|Karajou]] ([[User talk:Karajou|talk]]) 15:37, 1 December 2018 (EST)
+My impression: just one more instance of [[User:Conservative]]'s manipulative and [[sociopathic]] behavior, [[lying]], and attempt to promote himself at the expense of others. Alternatively, if Andy indeed gave [[User:Conservative]] permission to delete the pages, it's one more instance of Andy's crackdown on "excessive talk" backfiring. [[User:RobSmith|Foghorn Leghorn]]<sup>[[User talk:RobSmith|Do normal heterosexuals spend 20 yrs obsessing over gay bars, bathhouses and drag queens?]]</sup> 11:36, October 21, 2026 (EDT)
-:::::No, I'm pushing for knowledge of the dangers of lifelong abstinence. But even if I was, then there's nothing you can do about it so why are you asking? --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 20:22, 1 December 2018 (EST)
-::::::"''dangers of lifelong abstinence''" -- That's ridiculous, and choosing not to have sex (especially outside of heterosexual marriage) is normal, and sex outside of marriage can actually be dangerous (if there are STDs involved). Many people have been abstinent and turned out just fine. You're distorting the facts to make it seem like it's a necessity to have sex in order to be healthy, and if you don't there's a medical problem, when in reality neither option is inherently harmful.
-::::::"''But even if I was, then there's nothing you can do about it''" If I'm understanding you correctly, as admins, we can do something about it. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 20:44, 1 December 2018 (EST)
-:::::::"''If I'm understanding you correctly, as admins, we can do something about it.''"
-:::::::Haha! '''Can'''... --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 21:34, 1 December 2018 (EST)
-::::::::Want me to turn it into a "'''Will'''"? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 21:54, 1 December 2018 (EST)
-:::::::::Action without cause. To pardon is true power but you have nothing to pardon, I'm giving you no trouble. --[[User:Makuta Makaveli|Makuta Makaveli]] ([[User talk:Makuta Makaveli|talk]]) 22:01, 1 December 2018 (EST)
-Makuta Makaveli either has an agenda, or gets his/her information from people who have an agenda to promote casual sex by making abstinence look like a "health hazard." The Atheist YouTuber "MrRepzion" also claimed that one needed to have "trial sex" to see if the two are "sexually compatible." It would help CP if the articles had information debunking these claims [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 12:08, 2 December 2018 (EST)
-:Most people argue that there is "no harm" in casual sex--that has become a common claim (although some say is is risky due to STDs).  Because of this, there are plentiful materials arguing that claim.  However, it is much harder to find support for this claim that is is actually unhealthy to abstain by choice. I've seen a few unscientific blog posts, etc. about it, but nothing verifiable.  That doesn't mean it doesn't exist (there is always someone willing to write a paper on some fringe belief which people want to hear--just look at chocolate, for example, where they like to disregard the health costs of sugar and just look at the pure chocolate, which by the way tastes pretty bad on its own) but I'm not finding proof.
-:Shobson20, the "try it before you buy it" idea is certainly nothing new in personal relationships.  I suspect you are correct in linking these two, as people who would like to engage in this practice would like to have something like this to point to as a defense for their actions. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 00:54, 3 December 2018 (EST)
-== Why did I get blocked by "Minuteman?" ==
-I was fixing the damage that "My password is green" was doing. I sometimes notice vandals before CP's admins do, and sometimes I try to help. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 19:23, 15 December 2018 (EST)
-:I replied to your email.  You did nothing wrong. Thank you for your vigilance, and I apologize for this! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 19:30, 15 December 2018 (EST)
-::What are the qualifications for becoming a sysop on this site? I would like to be able to help by stopping the trolls and vandals who frequently attack this site. [[User:Shobson20|Shobson20]] ([[User talk:Shobson20|talk]]) 19:38, 15 December 2018 (EST)
-:::As best I can tell, there is no official criteria.  However, this page might be useful to answer some basic questions: [[Conservapedia:User_rights]].  Typically, SysOp rights are given to users who have been editing for some time, and proven themselves trustworthy. I don't think there is a specific checklist that you can do, to get these rights.  However, the one responsible for promotions is [[User:Aschlafly]], so you might be able to get a better idea from him as to what he specifically looks for. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 20:59, 15 December 2018 (EST)
-I too have just been blocked by {{user|Minuteman}}. I copied over the WP article for [[anarcho-conservatism]], which the WP zealots are about to delete. The text there is mine, though most of the article is still in quotes from references, as more text is needed (hence why I brought it here). — [[User:WisdomTooth3|WisdomTooth3]] ([[User talk:WisdomTooth3|talk]]) 00:17, 1 January 2019 (EST)
-:You were blocked for one hour so we could review what you were doing, because you were importing a page from WP which looked a bit like plagiarism. Since it is your own writing, then you may recreate that page, but it could use some improvements.  Namely, the quotes themselves can use work, as they do not provide context.  If you intend to make further improvements to the page, then we welcome our efforts! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 16:29, 1 January 2019 (EST)
-::Per [[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]]'s suggestion, recreated it [https://www.conservapedia.com/User:WisdomTooth3/Sandbox/Anarcho-conservatism here]. Not sure when I'll be able to improve it. Please feel free to chip in. — [[User:WisdomTooth3|WisdomTooth3]] ([[User talk:WisdomTooth3|talk]]) 03:20, 2 January 2019 (EST)
-:::Thank you!  I am not a subject matter expert on that topic, so I don't know how much help I can be, but I will look it over later. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:32, 2 January 2019 (EST)
-::::By the way, it is probably not helpful for the article to link to itself. Unless they point to a specific part of the page, they should probably be removed. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:42, 2 January 2019 (EST)
-== Merge proposal ==
-What do you think about this merge request: [[Talk:Carbon cycle (astronomy)]]? I am inclined to support it, but it's probably a good idea to get more than one opinion on it. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 11:32, 29 December 2018 (EST)
-:I've never really studies that specific topic, but the proposal sounds fine to me.  I looked up "carbon cycle" and found a great deal of information, but on the wrong topic.  From my limited understanding, a merge sounds like a good idea.<br /> --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 14:30, 29 December 2018 (EST)
-== tag at bottom of pages "quotation templates" ==
-Many of the content pages I create use quotes of other web content.  At the bottom of the articles I created using quotes, there is a tag at the bottom of the pages indicating "quotation templates".  This is a new and unwanted development.
-For example, please look at the bottom of this web page: [[Atheism and mental illness]].
-Can we get the "quotation templates" tag to not be there. Before they never used to be there. [[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 21:37, 29 December 2018 (EST)
-:I made a small mistake, but cannot fix it until [[:template:cquote]] is unlocked again.  I'm sorry about that--I should have noticed sooner.  Someone needs to add the "noinclude" tags to the category link. If someone unlocks the page, I will fix the issue. Again, sorry about that! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:23, 29 December 2018 (EST)
-::I unlocked the page.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:25, 29 December 2018 (EST)
-:::Thanks, I believe I fixed it. You can lock it again. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:36, 29 December 2018 (EST)
-::::Thanks for fixing the issue. I appreciate it.[[User:Conservative|Conservative]] ([[User talk:Conservative|talk]]) 23:37, 29 December 2018 (EST)
-:::::Any time! Thanks for pointing it out! --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 23:46, 29 December 2018 (EST)
-== Request ==
-Would you please check [[Alejandro Garcia Padilla]] for originality? It could be, but many of the refs are formatted like on Wikipedia. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 19:34, 30 December 2018 (EST)
-:Of course! It definitely originated from WP.  Slightly edited, but still copied. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alejandro_García_Padilla --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 20:12, 30 December 2018 (EST)
-::You beat me to it.  Obvious copy from WP, with slight alterations.  You don't need to check reference format; just check the text. [[User:SamHB|SamHB]] ([[User talk:SamHB|talk]]) 20:19, 30 December 2018 (EST)
-:::Would you please delete all the portions that are copied? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 20:42, 30 December 2018 (EST)
-::::I'll take another look, but I think the whole thing needs to go. Also, this is not the first time. See: [[User_talk:HectorCruz66#Originality]] --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 20:45, 30 December 2018 (EST)
-:::::Oh, and I didn't mean to ignore you, Sam.  Thanks for checking also!  You're right--just looking at the pages shows all you need to know. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 20:54, 30 December 2018 (EST)
-::::::Deleting it, then, is the best option. Would you please do that? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 21:22, 30 December 2018 (EST)
-:::::::Sure. I'm still looking at it, but sure, I'll delete it unless I find a reason not to. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 21:37, 30 December 2018 (EST)
-Would you please check the page [[James Ritchey]] to see if there's anything problematic (in general, not just originality, since it's two sentences long)? If there's nothing, I guess we can keep it. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 08:45, 17 January 2019 (EST)
-:Well, he exists.  It seems he's a small-time actor who has been in a few movies I've never heard of, and is barely active on YouTube.  This does seem to be relatively original text...all two sentences of it.
-:So on to the negative, I firstly find the wording "internet celebrity" rather questionable.  I don't see anything suggesting that title.  I could be missing something, but from what I'm seeing, he looks more like a wannabe celebrity.  Each of his youtube videos has between 1K and 7K views.  Assuming those views were not farmed, that still seems a ways away from the numbers a celebrity would have.  He second most viewed video seems to be review of a water bottle....I didn't watch it to find out if it is sponsored.
-:I suspect he is trying to make a name for himself, which slots this "article" into a suspicious category anyway.
-:Bottom line, there is nothing blatantly wrong, but I see why you were questioning it.  This smells fishy.  I'd be included to nuke it  for a lack of notability, but I'm okay with keeping it. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:31, 17 January 2019 (EST)
-::Oh, and a couple search engines (at least Yahoo and Yandex [and therefore DuckDuckGo]) have already crawled this page, and added it to the first page of results from searching his name.  I used a clean OS and browser, so no user history bias there. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:44, 17 January 2019 (EST)
-:::If you think that page is an advertisement (which is very likely), then I am perfectly fine deleting it. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 22:18, 17 January 2019 (EST)
-::::Ok, I think I'll delete it then.  Too many suspicious factors. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 22:44, 17 January 2019 (EST)
-Assuming we should keep this essay (I shouldn't jump to conclusions), it should be moved so we have a colon: [[Essay History of racism and the Democrats]]. Unrelated, there's no mention of how Reconstruction Democrats passed gun control laws to prevent black people from engaging in self-defense. --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 14:48, 18 January 2019 (EST)
-:I hadn't gotten the chance to review it yet. I'm moved the page, but I think it might be helpful to keep the redirect for the moment. This seems like a reasonably good essay, so I'm find with keeping it.  I will send you an email shortly. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 18:29, 19 January 2019 (EST)
-Hello DavidB4, I am wondering if any of these images would be acceptable for me to upload (regarding licensing): [https://twitter.com/VP/status/1085692630246350848][https://twitter.com/scavino45/status/1010232867501363200][https://twitter.com/vp/status/1010293228619419648] Also, I am wondering if you know of any free images of the Trump Administration deployment of troops along the border with Mexico late last year? --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 16:18, 20 January 2019 (EST)
-:Hi,  Twitter is always a little iffy, but these are probably okay.  Firstly, images made by an employee of the U.S. government as a part of their duties are automatically in the Public Domain. Secondly, a number of other users here republish twitter images under "Fair use." The first one is ideal, so if this is the case as it looks, use one or more of them for this reason.
-:I do not know of any images of troops at the border, and couldn't find any good ones after a quick check.  I will look a little more later. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 17:06, 20 January 2019 (EST)
-::Thanks! Would you please look over this image to make sure there aren't any problems? [[:File:Donald Trump Angel Families.jpg]] --[[User:1990&#39;sguy|1990&#39;sguy]] ([[User talk:1990&#39;sguy|talk]]) 14:46, 21 January 2019 (EST)
-:::Any time!  I do find it a little questionable that Pence took that photo.  However, if it was one of his aids, it is still PD.  However, if it was taken by the press, it is probably not. I don't know if there is a way to find out who actually took it, since this is a Twitter post. --[[User:DavidB4|<font color="ForestGreen">David B</font>]] <sup>([[User talk:DavidB4|TALK]])</sup> 15:05, 21 January 2019 (EST)