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Anna Politkovskaya

maybe you should mention that Anna Politkovskaya was shot by most likely putins men. she is dead and it should say so.Bohdan

Thanks, I'll find a source put it down. I actually didn't know that. I'm writing a paper on Putin right now, which explains why I have all these sources in front of me. DanH 17:56, 4 May 2007 (EDT)

writing about Vlad the impaler should be fun. Putin is not a good man.Bohdan

Thanks for fixing the cite, Onetimeuse, but your edit took out my sentence about Anna Politkovskaya, and I can't figure out how to fix it, so the article as is now doesn't make sense. DanH 16:12, 6 May 2007 (EDT)

Dictator?

Should we add the Dictator category here? DanH 01:11, 5 December 2007 (EST)

I don't think dictator is warranted as a description of Putin - yet. The fact that he has stayed in power long after his term has expired leads me to think he'll be a dictator soon enough. JDBowen 00:51, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

See also

Non of these articles in the see also section has anything to do with Vladimir Putin. Should we delete them? Maupiti 14:55, 12 March 2008 (EDT)

KGB

No mention of him being a former KGB man? Jros83 13:50, 28 August 2008 (EDT) (oh by the way making an analogue between him and Vlad Tepes is an insult to Vlad Tepes. Tepes scared the crap out of invading Turks and helped keep them out of Europe proper. Putin on the other hand is just evil...)

This article is ridden with many hateful subjective allegations. Stay objective!!!

Well, isn't it kind of simplistic to claim that Anna Politkovskaya was murdered by Putin? It hasn't been proven officially anywhere, and if this encyclopedia claims to be objective maybe it should BE so! "KGB Putin has complete control of Russia's future, as a dictator would." - sounds like it was written by a 8 year old! If you're bringing up the KGB past, at least say Ex-KGB (KGB doesn't even exist anymore). Also you're alleging that he's a dictator, and while I may agree, at least make a separate section about why IT IS COMMONLY BELIEVED that it so, give sources, not just write your own personal opinion! Otherwise you might as well write that he also raped donkeys and fed on the souls of the damned! (stay OBJECTIVE people OBJECTIVE!) Politkovskaya was an outspoken critic of Putin yes, but not only! She had made many enemies, especially during her assessments of the Chechen wars, where she claimed that both sides had committed war crime type stuff.. and when you get Chechens angry, people die! Period! (just look up Kadyrov or Barayev) http://www.globalsecurity.org/security/profiles/movsar_barayev.htm http://www.independent.co.uk/news/people/profiles/ramzan-kadyrov-the-warrior-king-of-chechnya-430738.html

Also, other people had to benefit from her death (hey another motive), Berezovski for example was not a particular fan of her, but to murder her, play the blame game, and then piggyback on her memory to blame Putin (his greatest enemy) would be very beneficial! This article is ridden with many hateful subjective allegations, it is too biased. I would suggest somebody with a lot of experience here should rewrite. If I tried I would probably get banned right away. (I can see it now, some staunch close-minded person calling me a liberal homosexual or a communist. HA!)

Also, there is no serious military alliance between Russia and China, and there is an apparent growing rivalry between the two. http://www.defencetalk.com/news/publish/airforce/Russian-Chinese_Su-33_fighter_deal_collapses100017306.php

Russia fears China more than it does the United States (due to an actual border, and the fact that China is right next to the energy rich Siberia, which it REALLY wants) - and in my opinion, the US should be more concerned over China than their traditional COLD WAR enemy due to the fact that China has TOO much control over the US economy and interests, and is growing stronger politically and militarily by the hour! http://www.traditioninaction.org/HotTopics/i26htWesterman_ChinaArrogance.html Thanks for reading! -Abanamat

Litvinenko

Should we add the poisoning of Alex Litvinenko to this page, or on it's own page? JDBowen 00:51, 11 July 2009 (EDT)

Putin or America?

If Donald Trump (as well as those of you who'd call yourselves paleoconservatives) truly believe that America should come first, you should be wary of current Russian President Vladimir Putin. While I am not anti-Russian, I do not support Putin at all. As President for life,Putin is seeing what he can get away with whilst slowly restoring the old Soviet imperialist ways and will quickly turn on Trump if he gets in the way of that. If it comes down to supporting Trump or supporting Putin, which will you choose? --KommissarReb (talk) 9:50, 22 February 2017 (EDT)

I dunno. Russia has an election next year and there may be some constitutional reforms. [1] Putin may not be in as strong of a position as some may think. The deal has been cut already between Trump and Putin, [2] and Trump knows he could only make Russia great again rather than the US. [3] That's why Flynn is out. We're already moving on to other things. RobS^{CIA vs Trump. Who's gonna win?} 15:48, 22 February 2017 (EST)

Re-Adding German Liberal Deletions of Conservative David Horowitz

• Horowitz, David, Putin and the shadow of the KGB on the Glazov Gang, Sherman Oaks, California: David Horowitz Freedom Center], Published April 5, 2013. David Horowitz is a conservative and not all conservative support Putin. See Joel Skousen, Alex Jones, James Wesley Rawles. Alternate conservative viewpoints are reasonable.

TheAmericanRedoubt 14:21, 17 January 2015 (EST)

Could you please tell me why I am a Liberal? And why is it important that I am from Germany?--JoeyJ 14:59, 17 January 2015 (EST)

Stop trolling his every edit Joey.--Jpatt 22:14, 18 January 2015 (EST)

The fundamental argument

Putin's fundamental​ argument is the US drone program violates 50 years of international law and conventions so therefore, Russia is not held to these agreements, either. He's been demonized by the war criminals responsible for these breaches of international law, principally Obama, Susan Rice, and John Brennan, who are trying to cover their tracks by thwarting Trumps efforts to mend the breach. Is their someway we can work in the underlying cause of tensions rather than parrot the progressive lies that Putin is Hitler & Al Capone reincarnated? RobS^{The coup plotters won, for now} 19:13, 29 April 2017 (EDT)

Putin and bad days

Couldn't find a good place for this in the article, but this is slightly humorous coming from Putin.[4] --1990'sguy (talk) 10:35, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

We could do a section on ==Putin interviews== combining Megyn Kelly and Oliver Stone. I could add something from this speech here which summarizes pretty clearly the Russian (not just Putin) position on the major foreign policy issues in dispute which, unlike the US position, is pretty solid and unchanging over years and decades. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 13:35, 7 June 2017 (EDT)

Putin also stated that he likes John McCain because of his patriotism and for being consistent.[5] --1990'sguy (talk) 15:45, 8 June 2017 (EDT)

Putin is not an ideological conservative

It seems that over the last few months, this article's portrayal of Putin has become significantly less favorable. Putin's affinity for Soviet Communism and for traditional Islam is now described in far greater detail, and this page has even been removed from the "Conservatives" category. Personally, I welcome these developments. I have never bought the idea that Putin is an ideological conservative. Instead, I view him as a non-ideological pragmatist whose first and only goal is to make Russia a great power again. He has been willing to ally with any cause, be it conservatism, liberalism, nationalism, libertarianism, socialism, communism, fascism, and even globalism and Islamism if he sees Russia benefiting in one way or another. As long as he's in power, or rather as long as he has this non-ideological attitude, I can't see Russia being a reliable partner in the foreseeable future unless we somehow end up on the same side in a major war. -- James Kardys (talk) 10:49, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

What's a 'reliable partner', convincing a rogue like Kim, Gaddafi, or Khameini to give up nukes in exchange for trade then sticking a bayonet up the kazoo? RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 11:15, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Ha ha. Very funny. You know damn well what I mean by a "reliable" partner, Rob. Given your sarcasm, I can tell that you're still pissed at me because I advocated going to war with Germany over its illegal EU army project. But you know what? If that happens, then perhaps that will be the war that will bring the US and Russia together. We won't have any further use for NATO at that point, so why not invite Russia to smash Germany and its globalist allies from the east while we do so from the west, much like we did in 1941-45? Oh. And divide Turkey up the same way while we're at it. Erdogan needs to be taken out, too. -- James Kardys (talk) 11:41, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Russia, Germany, and the Nato EU members are already joined at the hip, permanently. Only Clinton Foundation donors, NeverTrumpers, and the 1991 Soviet Coup plotters think there's some sort of adversarial relationship between Russia and NATO. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 11:52, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

I'm not so sure I'd ally with Russia, especially under Putin. I'm pretty sure he is still a hard-on Communist, considering he kept his KGB card instead of burning it, and has gone out of his way to promote it whenever the opportunity arose. As far as siding with Russia or Germany should we fight in a war, why not fight both? Merkel's obviously not going to be an ally at all, and she's expressed more interest in helping Putin than in helping Trump. Plus, it would make up for our mistake in siding with Stalin instead of wiping out both Stalin and Hitler. Pokeria1 (talk) 11:56, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

The issue hangs on natural gas and winter heating supplies, IMO. Neither the German or Russian governments or people's ever want war again. Nato's days are numbered, only the Soros-backed warmongers who infiltrated the military industrial complex spread their xenophobic hate propaganda in American media amongst the American progressive youth. Russia and the US are on the same song sheet in keeping China and North Korea in check. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 12:05, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Rob, you say Russia, Germany, and the NATO EU members are "joined at the hip permanently." In what universe? Like you said, "the issue hangs on natural gas and winter heating supplies." I would also add "mutual hatred of the US" on that list, but other than that, Russia is not in a military alliance with a single member of either NATO or the EU. Russia doesn't even have a single military base in any country that is a member of either NATO or the EU. Russia could cut off Germany and the rest of NATO/EU at any time, for any reason. If Merkel keeps up what she's been doing with the illegal EU army crap, Russia would have a very good reason to cut Germany and its allies off. Meanwhile, I'm glad you brought up China. That's another reason why I'd much prefer normalizing relations with Russia. I don't see us defeating the EU and Turkey unless we have Russia as an ally. Because we also have China to deal with. There is no way in hell China will allow us to defeat the EU and Turkey in a war, especially if Russia decides to intervene on our side. Without the EU and Turkey, China's One Belt, One Road project is dead. Those are the only countries that both the Belt AND the Road run through, after all. -- James Kardys (talk) 12:19, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

While I am open to the idea of allying with Russia, it should be after Russia fully gives up Communism, by not only throwing Putin out (and preferably replacing him with one that intends to restore Russia to the time of the Tsars at least, since that time was pre-Communism), but also tearing down Karl Marx's statue at Teatralyana Square, and completely banning Communist parties there. Allying with Russia now is like when Nixon made the mistake of allying with Mao Zedong in China even when it was to fight the USSR. I for one do not intend to ally with any Communist countries, period, and if anything, I'd rather commit genocide against Communism for what it did to us Christians. If that's not available, I'd rather fight a multi-front war against Russia, Turkey, China, and the EU if that's what it takes. Heck, had I existed during World War II, I'd rather fight both Stalin AND Hitler at the same time, that's how much I HATE Communism and like-minded groups. Besides, let's not forget that Putin's Russia is actually helping North Korea right now if this is of any indication. Pokeria1 (talk) 12:29, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Oh, boy. Where to begin, Pokeria1? How about this. Number one. Russia is not communist. Not in the slightest. Everything it does regarding communism under Putin is one hundred percent related to great power geopolitics. A great analogy for comparing Putin to someone else would be to a gamer who likes to play the strategy PC game "Victoria II." Number two. Genocide? Really? First off, it's not genocide if it's targeted at a political ideology. Genocide is when it's aimed at an ethnicity or a religion. But regardless, what you're advocating is not just killing soldiers or other combatants and prosecuting bad politicians, but also intentionally killing innocent civilians. Intentionally targeting innocent civilians is sick, morally wrong, regardless of the motive. Actually, especially given the motive in your case. Christians do not kill people out of revenge. Christ himself spoke against that when Peter cut off the Roman soldier's ear, AND when he said that whoever hates his brother will not achieve salvation. I do not hate our past or future adversaries. I am willing to kill to protect our interests, but if I will ever do, I will do it with regret. Not for my actions, but that conflict could not be avoided. Lastly, number three. A multi-front war against Russia, Turkey, China, AND the EU is a war we cannot win. It will result in our destruction as a power, and perhaps as a country. I love my country too much to take that risk. If it comes to that BEFORE WAR BREAKS OUT, then I advocate peaceful containment, not war. But since I don't believe that will happen, I, for now, am not even close to inclined to go out on the streets and shout slogans while holding an anti-war sign all day. -- James Kardys (talk) 12:53, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

This is the nature of the modern tri-polar alliance. Russia & the US still have 94% of global nukes, and will never allow China to compete in the nuclear sphere. The problem is - Trump is wrong - the G8 is the world's 8 largest economies, and Russia has slipped to #12. Russia isn't even in the top three in military spending anymore. It only retains the #1 position in number of nuke warheads.

But Russia and the US share the same problem - convincing their populations of the necessity to retain the position of monopolizing 94% of nukes through constant, expensive, modernization and sacrifices demanded and expected of the people. And it's twofold - the emphasis today is on expensive missile defense - the ability to shoot down a missile with a missile, as the a principle deterent, rather than matching one-for-one in production of warheads. The ability of Russia to be a 'reliable partner' in modernization of warhead production and missile defense technology with their failing economy, and the ease with which China can accomplish it with a growing economy fueled by their Wal-Mart customer base, keeps dragging Putin and Russia into a nuclear arms modernization and missile defense race they neither want nor can afford. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 12:59, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Bottomline: It's Wal-Mart shoppers who created the North Korean nuclear threat, as they destroyed their fellow citizen's jobs and their shopping money trickled down to the Chinese and North Korean regimes. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 13:46, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

China, Russia and Christianity

China is undergoing rapid Christianization via an explosive growth of evangelical Christianity. It is going to be an economic powerhouse. The 21st century is going to be an Asian Century. See: Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism

Please read the articles:

• China, officially atheist, could have more Christians than the U.S. by 2030

• The Protestant Work Ethic: Alive & Well…In China

If the Russian Orthodox Church keeps expanding and promotes pro-natalism, Russia could escape a demographic implosion and increase in power in the 21st century. In addition, there has been a growth of Protestantism in Russia. See: Central and Eastern Europe and desecularization.

Russia's fertility rate has been increasing.[6]

Religion, demographics and economics is destiny.Conservative (talk) 12:54, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Look, while I am glad that there's some effort to China being Christianized (even though I'm a bit irritated that it keeps on harping on the protestants while ignoring the Catholic contributions to capitalism, which BTW predated Protestantism's existence on that matter), China's still a Marxist country, and in fact, Xi even basically groveled over Marx a little while back, so it's still not reliable as a Christian country yet. Maybe if they smash Marx's images, I'll be a bit more receptive. And as far as the ROC, only if they completely throw out the Marxist followers of the ROC that were installed by the KGB. And yes, I'll say the exact same thing about us Catholics and the liberation theology/leftists in there. Pokeria1 (talk) 12:49, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Pokeria, look at the graph in THIS ARTICLE. The growth of Christianity is explosive in China and the the growth of Communist party members in China is much, much, much slower. And the projected growth of Christianity in China is expected to very explosive. Conservative (talk) 13:02, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

Ideology is almost meaningless in these discussions. It's like asking if you want your nuclear bomb in a pink or blue package. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 13:05, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

The ideology of communism in the 20th century caused the death of over 100,000,000 people in the 20th century.

The ideology of evolutionism caused Adolf Hitler and his alleged "master race" to cause WWII. Evolutionism played a key role in causing WWI. See: World War I and Darwinism and Evolutionary racism

Right-wing populists are about to close down 7 mosques in Austria. Ideology still plays a big role in the world. Yet, religion, demographics and economics is destiny.Conservative (talk) 13:59, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

So now, connect the dots to Vladimir Putin, and how he can raise Russia's economy from #12 back to #8 without looking like he's a CIA plant, installed to do the West and George Soros bidding. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 14:06, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

The Russian people are tough (Russian winters probably help toughen Russians) and smart (chess champions, faster missiles that counter America's anti-missile technology, nuclear arsenal, etc. ).

But it comes down to demographics. The Russian Orthodox Church is growing in Russia and there is an attendant growth in the Russian fertility rate as a result.[[7]

And Protestantism is growing in Russia which forces the Russian Orthodox Church to have to compete not become complacent.Conservative (talk) 14:24, 9 June 2018 (EDT)