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China's history is in need of revision. At the beginning of the article, it is stated that Chinese civilization began in the year 2200 B.C. This begs the questions, of course: began with what; and did nothing precede it? However, these questions aren't my biggest concern. Rather, I note that the discovery of silk from the silkworm occurred around 2700 B.C. -- a full 500 years before civilization in China began. I find the very notion of five centuries of silk makers living without the benefit of civilization to be quite disturbing. Can we safely take the liberty of adjusting the dates listed in order to resolve the apparent conflict? History will surely be grateful.

Also, if it is to be decided that Chinese civilization began in 2700 B.C. with the discovery of silk rather than the much later 2200 B.C., and if the mentioned Chinese tradition is to go unchallenged, where it is stated that the 14-year-old bride of Emperor Huang Ti discovered silk, then we should also probably point out that the first Middle Eastern settlers in China established almost immediately an imperial form of government, so that the reader isn't left to wonder whether or not an indigenous tribe living in that area prior to 2700 B.C. might have been responsible for the birth of Chinese civilization.

Great edit AustinM, changing The Chinese Communist Party has provided the Bush administration with more than $100 billion in loans via its central bank. to China could manipulate the Dollar as it holds a significant ammount in loans via its central bank. puts the blame on the Communists and not the Bush administation. Well done.

JC 14:11, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

your getting very close to another ban.--AustinM 14:58, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

I neglected to sign my earlier post.--Blr 01:24, 12 March 2007 (EDT)

Great Wall Of China

Shouldn't this section be under something such as "Tourist Attractions" or some kind of unique features of the country, since it links to a whole new article of its own? niandra 13:05, 15 March 2007 (EDT)

Romanization standard

In articles dealing with China, there should generally be one standard used consistantly for English transliteration. Pinyin is favored by the PRC, the older Wade-Giles is used by the ROC.

What so special about 2200 BC??

No, seriously, this is getting to be beyond a joke. A critic was kind enough to gently query what was so special about the year 2200 BC that it constituted the beginning of Chinese Civilisation, and asked how it came to be that the production of silk in that region is said (2 pars down) to occur in 2700 BC, a good HALF MILLENNIUM before the advent of“Chinese Civilization". And now, MONTHS later, there appears to be so little interest in the fortunes of a nation of ONE BILLION people in an emerging superpower that this pathetic drivel of an article – 418 words long! – has not received even the most elementary of amendments or extensions. 418 words! - that's just twice the length of THIS little note! Is that an example of "clean and concise" writing?

There are 2 line entries on gunpowder (used by the Chinese for firecrackers), and silk. Nothing yet on Fortune Cookies. The place is said to suffer from pollution. There is a solitary text suggested for “further reading”- "Nine Commentaries on the Chinese Communist Party” a very anti-communist work. I’m not objecting to its strident anti-communism, just that of the THOUSANDS of works on China, it appears ludicrous that this would be the one and only work recommended as the first primer for someone attempting to learn something about this ancient nation. Nothing here about the dynasties, nothing here about the Great March, about Foot Binding, about the Forbidden City... the list is endless. Oh and if the author of this piece is suggesting 2200 BC as the date of China Civilization (what, like Independance Day or something?) because he figures that that would be about right when you account for how long it would take for Noah's progeny to get over there while developing slanty eyes and yellow skin en route, they WHY NOT JUST SAY SO?? The idea is ridiculous of course. But to simply sweep it under the carpet adds gutlessness to stupidity. MylesP (my page here) myles325@yahoo.com.au (e-mail)

• The Yellow Emperor is said to have discovered silk and founded Chinese civilization around 2700 BC, but this date is purely mythological. Anyway, this material was apparently taken out of the article long ago. PeterKa 04:50, 4 February 2014 (EST)

Old Talk Page for People's Republic of China

I merged the "China" article into this one. Better form and no point in having 2 articles.--Elamdri 01:59, 10 April 2007 (EDT)

You have got to be joking. This infantile 1 page drivel is the result of "merging" 2 articles? And you go to University??!! Where you do politics and philosophy. You could write everything about China here on a single lavatory tile.

All you have done is deleted my excellent critique of this mess. You should stop any 12 year old in the street and give him $10 and he/she will do better than this. --MylesP 19:59, 12 April 2007 (EDT)

Doesn't the PRC refer to Taiwan? Man, it's confusing. GodlessLiberal 15:08, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

Nevermind. Should there be some sort of clarification in this article about the PRC/ROC naming debate? Like, how each got its name during the Chinese Civil War? GodlessLiberal 15:09, 29 April 2007 (EDT)

The Chinese claim Taiwan, but Taiwan claims independence and the US backs it.--Elamdri 02:36, 1 May 2007 (EDT)

The US definitely does not back Taiwan, and Taiwan does not claim independence. Actually, Taiwanese independence is one of the 4 noes - si bu - that the administration on Taiwan promise not to ever claim so long as the PRC doesn't threaten the ROC. And in fact, the Republic of China claims the whole of mainland China, as well as Tibet AND the republic of Mongolia, which is not claimed by the PRC. By the way, there are also several kinds of concept called "Taiwanese independence".

- that is complete nonsense.

About History I think That we should have much more including a list of dynasties (it would be really nice if we could have a section about each one). Also the amount of space we give to each article is not at all even we should have a link to another article talking about the Leader and much more about the Government in General. Lord Ration

Skull

isn't it anti-conservapedia to have pictures of human fossils in articles, since it relates to evolution and whatnot? and what is the relevance of a skull in an artile about china? -Sundance

Number of Muslims?

If anyone has a citation for the number of Muslims in China, then a reliable, cited estimate of that number would be welcome. But not without a citation.--TerryH^Talk 19:52, 9 October 2008 (EDT)

Liberal Vandalism

It seems that some people have managed to insert liberal bias into the article. For example, why does so much of the article present China as though it is an increasingly prosperous nation? What about the human rights issues? What about the fact that nothing has changed the fact that the nation is essentially morally bankrupt and that this situation will not change in the foreseeable future? Handels584 08:30, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

rename to China

Unless there are objections I propose to rename the article "China." We want our readers to refer to the place as "China" and not to the people's Republic of China, which makes Communist rule too normal. RJJensen 08:53, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

Rewriting article

Alright I am new here. Very interested in other nations, and I believe I know enough to help work on this page.

I won't be changing any real facts that have already been established, I just want to improve the quality of the page. For example, one section says "China is expected to surpass the US in CO2 emissions by 2008", but that has already happened if I am not mistaken. I have yet to change this, I am trying to go in order down the list.

Rising influence

China's rising influence in the world is illustrated by the very mild reactions by other countries to the protests in Hong Kong: [1] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:11, 21 August 2019 (EDT)

China and the CCP

This is a decent op-ed calling on Americans to focus on the threat posed by the Chinese Communist Party and competition with it, rather than obsess about "China" (as opposed to the CCP): [2] --1990'sguy (talk) 22:47, 21 September 2019 (EDT)

Yes, that is exactly the problem. Same with Iran. We have no problem with the people, it's the leadership. The difference today is, nobody is for "regime change wars". So that leaves only sanctions.

This risk here is, as was the case when an embargo on Persian Gulf oil was imposed on Japan threatening their entire economy in May 1941, it could provoke a military action on their part. We've seen as much with Iranian behavior, the oil tanker seizures and drone strikes on Saudi refineries - all to raise the demand and price of oil.

In the case of China, the trade talks are bound up with North Korean de-nuclearization. With progress on that front, there can be some give in trade talks. RobS^{De Plorabus Unum} 00:02, 22 September 2019 (EDT)

China

Can everyone reading this please stop buying products from China? We must stop China from being first. Thanks! - User:United States

I think we should create a list of products that are Made in China so we can create an effective boycott. Bytemsbu (talk) 11:06, 13 December 2020 (EST)

That's a good and interesting idea. However from the gitgo we must emphasize the difference between end products and component parts. This essentially calls for two lists, one with the front group using China component parts, General Motors for example, and another with direct sellers, Huawai for example. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:28, 13 December 2020 (EST)

Map of China

I think that we need to change the map of China to something which shows Tibet, East Turkestan, South Mongolia and Manchuria as separate countries.Bytemsbu (talk) 18:28, 12 December 2020 (EST)

I like that idea. THe best I found so far is this one [3]. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 10:24, 13 December 2020 (EST)

I think that these would be good ideas for a map [[4]][[5]].Bytemsbu (talk) 10:57, 13 December 2020 (EST)

I'll upload them. Also, what the map labels as "China Proper" I would call "Han China". RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:18, 13 December 2020 (EST)

Okay. Upload both. They are available here. [6] RobS^{Free Kyle!} 11:23, 13 December 2020 (EST)

I would keep the we have up there right now. The tibettruth one has something going on with the countries outside China. Japan, Thailand and Taiwan are gone, India appears to have eaten Pakistan and Kazakhstan's border is off. -Mark Adams(Discuss with me) 09:51, 3 January 2021 (EST)

PLA hackers must be stalking you, cause I only get a 404 response from your link. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 13:42, 3 January 2021 (EST)

Outdated

So much of this article is so outdated, it is pathetic. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 06:51, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

Which parts need to be fixed? Bytemsbu (talk) 21:12, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

A lot of the statistical stuff. The figures on the ballooning trade surplus with the U.S. only covered from 2002-2006, and they were ghastly enough. Couple that with the Foreign investment and Economy sections (not to mention a bunch of other sections) about how wonderful it was China was opening up and what an opportunity this was for everyone on the planet, etc. I rotated most of the WTO section into the History of China page.

This page needs a radical update. I moved the Science and Technology section to the Military section. The page should reflect more the movement toward Decoupling, and less on "Opening up." Absent an internal coup and overthrow of the CCP, China is going back into isolation. The "Reform" and "Opening" periods are over. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 21:59, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

The page reflects too much of Deng and his successors. That's all been wiped out by Xi, who forges a bridge directly back to Mao. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:05, July 23, 2021 (EDT)

Here's what I mean:

• " China today is the fourth-largest economy in the world. It has sustained average economic growth of over 9.5% for the past 26 years. In 2006 its $2.76 trillion economy was about one-fifth the size of the U.S. economy."

That might as well have been 1,500 hundred years ago, not 15 years. And all the hope and optimism is gone. The page has turned. This will not be the century of China. Watch this 6 min. video if you're wondering why. Or a couple of minutes of this video about the flooding 2 days ago that killed 6,000 drivers in a tunnel that is not being reported in CCP/MSM media. They aren't ready to lead the world. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 06:20, July 24, 2021 (EDT)

There, a preliminary overhaul is complete. There still is much to be updated, and not just with anecdotal evidence from CCP/MSM news sources, which generally belong on one of the spinoff pages. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:53, July 27, 2021 (EDT)

Also, I believe we need to create a section on CCP military activities in the Caribbean and Latin America[[7]].Bytemsbu (talk) 22:27, July 27, 2021 (EDT)

Yes, I'd like to begin with expanding the PLA Navy section with more on the China maritime militia. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 22:31, July 27, 2021 (EDT)

On second glance, there's still a lot of work to do. The hardest cultural norm or idiom to break through to American readers is, the State Council or government of China is virtually powerless. China is a military state, like Prussia was and like Iran is becoming. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 06:13, July 29, 2021 (EDT)

It's starting to look a little more realistic. The problem becomes, when you tell the truth, it starts to sound hyperbolic. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 03:31, August 1, 2021 (EDT)

Disputed territories

I used the Big script to highlight a few of the disputed territories cause this section (and spinpff China disputed territories) is not finished yet, there are more items to add, and it basically was taking over the whole Table of Contents. This gives us time to work on those sections and related pages while the rest of this article undergoes revision. Thanks. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 04:19, July 26, 2021 (EDT)

Plan to Invade and Takeover the United States

This section should probably go under the Military subhead, or alternatively the Relations with the United States subheading. I would argue for Military subheading. Also, it could go into the PLA article and maybe a few other places). There is nothing spectacular about contingency plans (the United States has contingency plans for the Invasion and takeover of Canada, Mexico, China, etc etc tucked away somewhere in the Pentagon). Giving it its own Section only makes the article look alarmist and conspiratorial. We should leave that to the paranoid race-baiters and global warming advocates. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 19:18, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

1. If we take a look at the article for Iran we have a section titled "World Domination". So what is wrong with describing the CCP plan to invade America via Mexico?

2. This is no "contingency plan". Given the traitors and corrupt people in the government(ex. Milley) this is an active threat that people need to know about.Bytemsbu (talk) 19:34, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

Well, it's going to happen before they take over Taiwan. We not update and expand out stuff on Taian in all articles.

Incidentally, I've already hinted at the Chinese attack in this article. That's probably where this stuff needs to be developed, either there or in its own separate article, and summary with a link placed here. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 20:50, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

There still needs to be some section about it on the main article about China. The evidence is simply quite overwhelming and should easily visible to those reading Conservapedia.Bytemsbu (talk) 21:32, September 28, 2021 (EDT)

Earlier when re-working this article I came across some well-sourced material about huge Chinese land purchases in Texas and the building of airstrips. If I can locate it again, I'll pass it along.

Thus far I've been working on the internal organization of the CCP and things really related to the Asia-Pacific region. But obviously, much of it an be seen as advance preparation for conflict. Much of what you just added should go into the PLA article, and maybe even spinoffs or combine it with the article on an EMP over the U.S. An EMP would be the first attack, after which we'd lose all electronic communication. So the more we can organize the information into one continuous read what to expect would be beneficial. RobS^{Free Kyle!} 04:11, September 29, 2021 (EDT)

Real estate crisis

The so-called "real estate crisis" has already been incorporated into its own subsection and needn't be in the Intro. RobS^{The Truth. Just Putin It Out There} 13:08, May 19, 2024 (EDT)

I will talk to Andy about your censorship of information related to communist China. A nation which Donald Trump often criticizes and wants to raise tariffs on. And a nation which was irresponsible during the pandemic and helped spread it to other countries during the beginning of the pandemic. Conservative (talk)