Talk:Essay: Hitler was a Communist in early 1919

Hitler was not a communist in 1919. After the collapse (Nov. 1918), demobilization, and Hitler's return to Munich, Hitler was sent into various meetings of socialist, communist and revolutionary groups by a Reichswehr Captain to spy on the meetings in the revolutionary atmosphere of the times. One such group was what eventually became the NSDAP. Other groups were Bolshevik groups aligned with the ongoing Moscow revolutions.

Suggested readings:

• For biographical background on Hitler in this period: Konrad Heiden Hitler - widely viewed as most authentic and authoritive for this period (Heiden first met Hitler personally in 1923);

• Joseph Schumpeter, Capitalism, Socialism, and Democracy, Part V, A Historical Sketch of Socialist Parties, Chapter XXVII From the First to the Second World War, particularly Sections II, III, and IV for understanding the socio-political situation.

Simply attending a meeting as a spy doesn't make one a communist. This Essay is dangerously close to Holocaust revisionism. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:19, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

Nice denialist effort there, pal. That precisely is the neo-Marxist narrative pushed by propagandist Ian Kershaw and refuted by TIKhistory; Hitler was elected into the Communist Bavarian Soviet Republic, which means Bavarian Communists considered him a qualified Communist leader. Kershaw himself admits that there isn't enough evidence to indicate Hitler was merely some opportunist (which the TIK video cites). Ernst Rohm once rebuked Hitler for joining the Communists instead of the Freikorps.

Regardless, Nazism is a form of Communism anyways. I hope this clarifies matters. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 16:38, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

No it doesn't clarify matters. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:40, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

Too bad! I guess you don't like factual reality. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 16:41, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

No, I've only read all the background materials and had a step-grandfather who was present in Bavaria from 1919 to 1927. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:45, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

The same Bavaria which ushered in a late-1910s Communist paradise later supported the Nazis. And the evidence for the Communist root of Nazism doesn't stop there! In Mein Kampf, Hitler attempts to distance himself from any involvement in Jewish Communist Kurt Eisner's Bavarian Soviet Republic (which again, TIK explains in his video). So any effort to disconnect Hitler from Bavarian Communism is itself Hitlerist propaganda.

Marxism denounced earlier forms of Socialism as "not real Socialism," and declared that "socializing the people" to create a Communist utopia meant a religiously motivated mass murder of bourgeois capitalists, seen as an outgrowth of Judaism. Nazism just took it a step further: instead of antisemitism limited to religion, it was racial, so the concept of race replaced "economic classes." For Nazism, Communism was the primary target of "not real Socialism™" because they posed the primary rivaling threat (just as Stalinism and Troskyism were rivals), and creating a Socialist utopia means mass-killing Jews on the basis of ethnicity, which as we know was the Holocaust. In 1941, Hitler admitted that "basically National Socialism and Marxism are the same." The fuhrer opposed Weimar Germany from the left wing, lamenting that they "had never read Marx." —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 16:51, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

I don't think you even understand what communism is. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 16:56, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

...says the one who doesn't even properly capitalize the term. Oh, that's right, you yourself are a Comsymp who hates capitalism. Right, I almost forgot. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 16:58, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

On behalf of sane, historically educated conservatives, I declare VICTORY! Olé! Olé! Olé! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 16:57, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) The only thing you know is communism = bad, so you toss anything and everybody into the equation, from Satan to Taylor Swift.

You've been hanging around with User:Conservabiden too much, and his simpletonness is rubbing off on you. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:00, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

Oh boo hoo hoo, I'm actually an anti-Socialist conservative instead of a Comsymp! "WaAaAaAaAaaaAaaAaaAAAAaaAA" —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 17:02, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

(ec) In previous discussions, it's obvious you don't understand what fascism is. Read the section from Schumpeter, Administering Capitalism from the above citation. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:04, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

AHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAA- 😂

Oh, where do I begin... you yourself throw around the word "fascist" without consideration for its original definition. I said this before: Fascism is national syndicalism with a philosophy of actualism. I'm now getting spam calls from your neighbors annoyed of your local irony meters exploding. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 17:10, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

Your argument is like saying, "Jews and Arabs are all Semites, so let them kill each other". It's misleading and prejudicial. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:47, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

Um, what?? So according to you, Nazis are comparable to Jews, eh? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 19:32, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

Did you say you went to public school? RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 21:07, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

You tell me. :) —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 21:28, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

It's showing. Not such much in your faulty conclusions (although it does), but your method of arriving at those conclusions. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:04, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

Your whataboutisms and deflections don't improve your dirt-poor arguments one bit. You realize that, right? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 22:14, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

No. I'm just giving you a heads up. As an Admin, the first complaint we see that Conservapedia is hosting Holocaust revisionism, you can kiss all your efforts good bye. My investigation of the matter is already complete. So think about how much time and effort you want to put into this junk. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:22, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

You're absolutely right that Conservapedia has a Holocaust revisionism problem. A certain Comsymp administrator denies that the Nazis are ideologically rooted in Marxist Communism and carried out the Holocaust because they were Socialists. Your sources are neo-Marxist propagandists; mine are renegade conservative, libertarian, and classical liberal authors and researchers among the best of the public.

Oh, my efforts are "over"? What are you going to do, mark this essay for deletion and fail by another 1–7 vote? —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 22:33, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

I doubt your TikTokHistory or whatever it is has reviewed anymore original primary source materials that I myself am already familiar with, or unearthed any new research. Your problem is, you already attempted to remove two references to Communists being victims of the Holocaust. Hence, you already declared a motive. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:14, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

The Communists brought the Nazis to power via the Berlin transport strike, so any supposed "cOmMuNiST vIcTimS" of Nazism are hardly any different from, say, loyal Soviet operatives killed by Stalin in the Great Purge. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 23:26, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

Additionally, you do have the Move function, so you could retitle it yourself.

See, this is the purpose of Team CP; if you took the pledge, your efforts could be treated with more deference. Without it, you look like a troll. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 22:26, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

"bUt tEaM cEe pEE" The only other person who signed up is NishantXavier, who consistently has sided against you on key disputes, especially AFD votes. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 22:33, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

That is your loss, cause I'm not going to waste a whole lot of time with a troll. You have the opportunity to shake off giving that impression, and ask for good faith review and treatment, but thus far refuse. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:19, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

My loss? Your drunkard whining on this talk page just gave the essay extra attention (especially on RC) and helped boost page view growth. Thanks! —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Thursday, 23:26, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

Thanks. The only thing I find about Tik is on the CODOH website. Not a good sign. But the reviews are somewhat mixed. He's not really an authority, but a guy who has skirted YouTube rules to get views so far. I'd recommend proceeding with caution. I'm gaining some context about your revisionist views, but your removal of Communists as victims from the Holocaust page was not getting off on the right foot. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 23:53, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

The Nazi "left wing" were "far-right," and the Nazi "far-right" were Communists

This is mostly explained in the essay itself, but it's nice to reiterate nonetheless. Neo-Marxist Leftists argue the Nazis were "far-right" but had a "left wing" led by Ernst Rohm and the Strassers. And yet, those three were previously part of the Freikorps paramilitaries, branded by the same neo-Marxists as "far-right." And apparently Hitler was an "anti-Socialist far-rightist," despite previously being a Bavarian Communist fighting the Freikorps! And if Hitler was just an opportunist and not a real Communist, he could've easily joined a Freikorps group. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 17:22, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

The problem is in the title of the Essay.

My apologies, but the world just isn't as simplistic as you'd like to believe. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:40, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

And frankly speaking, the more I listen to you and Conservabiden, the more I can see and understand how Nazism was classified on the so-called "right". RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 17:51, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

RobSmith, you are the one who believes anyone with anything negative to say about Putin is a Nazi. You need to learn that the world is not going to dumb itself down to your intelligence level. MayGodBless (talk) 18:59, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

You're the one facing a de-nazification trial. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:05, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

In your dreams. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 19:30, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

You need to pray Western propaganda is all lies and bs ("we fight them there so we don't have to fight them here") cause if they ever made it here, you'd be rounded up to face a de-nazification tribunal. RobS^{Give Peace a Chance!} 19:21, October 25, 2023 (EDT)

"cOnSeRvaBiDEn"

"rEvIsIOniSm"

"fAShist"

It's getting boring by now. —LT ^{Rev. 22:13} Wednesday, 19:33, October 25, 2023 (EDT)