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This looks pretty good so far. Just one comment--the left likes to refer to mass murderers as "gunmen" or "shooters," as if to emphasize the fact that a gun was involved. However, might I suggest that we favor simply calling them attackers or murderers? It terrorists don't have access to guns (which is very unlikely to happen, regardless of the laws) they will just use bombs, swords, knives, clubs, crossbows, or whatever else they can. As we have seen in the US, even ordinary pressure cookers work distressingly well.
Overall, nice work! --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 17:06, 17 March 2019 (EDT)

Yes, correct. There will be subsections (right now, one on Pewdiepie and another on gun rights). I'm seeking to develop the full Marxist basis of the Manifesto, then move on to gun rights, both in NZ & the US, probably beginning with the Prime Minister's reaction in NZ first, which can be tied to a Marxist agenda. Any suggestions or content, feel free to add. If it's on gun rights, just begin a subhead ==Gun rights== and put it in. The leftwing Marxist aspect may keep me busy for awhile.

I should add, we have here for the first time in a longtime a new concept, "leftwing white supremacist," which is an opportunity for further development. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 17:20, 17 March 2019 (EDT)

Okay, thanks! I knew you were on track, but this sounds like a good plan. You know a great deal more about this than me, so I will probably leave you to it. I just wasn't too keen on some of the terminology I was seeing. I must say, you now have me wondering how "Pewdiepie" ties into this. I consider it a matter of pride that I have never looked him up, as I understand he serves up piles of rubbish. Perhaps I should risk soiling my eyeballs and actually take a look though. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 17:35, 17 March 2019 (EDT)

May have been an atheist and Anders Behring Breivik

"Answering whether Brenton Tarrant is a Christian is, in his words, “complicated. When I know, I will tell you.” The complication may be a semantic distinction derived from Breivik’s notion that it is possible to be a cultural Christian without believing in God. Breivik wrote that his followers “don’t need to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus to fight for our Christian cultural heritage. It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian atheist.”[1]

Brenton Tarrant may have been an atheist/agnostic.Conservative (talk) 20:20, 17 March 2019 (EDT)

Thus far we've avoided mentioning the shooter's name in mainspace, which I support at this time. The issues go far beyond the mental state or ideology of the perpetrator. While I encourage writing a section on the shooter/gunman/attacker/killer or however we resolve to refer to him/them, we should not refer to him by name in this article, at least for now. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 20:48, 17 March 2019 (EDT)

At this point, they do it for publicity, so it sounds like a good policy to keep the name quite for now, though I'm sure the MSM does not agree. --DavidB4 ^(TALK) 21:24, 17 March 2019 (EDT)

Actually, in NZ it's illegal to release his name or show his face. So the only way NZ'ers get that info is from American media. Using his name is a dead give away the information is coming from American media, which obviously is uninformed and slanted. I'd like to get more information on his time in Europe - which motivated the shooting - before miscoloring it with his intended effect on US domestic politics. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 23:53, 17 March 2019 (EDT)

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Ardern is absolutely not a communist. Left wing yes but far from a communist. New Zealand is, and remains, one of the freest and easiest places to do business in the western world. We have a neo-libral economic system and that isn't changing. Also the deputy PM and coalition party is a Conservative party. Secondly NZ has no citizen gun rights enshrined at all in any legal sense whatsoever so is at the whim of any government of the day. These are basic facts. JohnSelway (talk) 01:43, 18 March 2019 (EDT)

Nuff said. She's more than just a communist mass murder denier. RobS^{Deep Six the Deep State!} 03:02, 18 March 2019 (EDT)

Here is an interesting article from the New Zealand Herald: China's communists fund Jacinda Ardern's Labour Party: What the United States Congress was told.

China operates in the shadows. "Be extremely subtle, even to the point of formlessness. Be extremely mysterious, even to the point of soundlessness. Thereby you can be the director of the opponent's fate." - Sun Tzu.Conservative (talk) 04:13, 18 March 2019 (EDT)