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RobS has created some excellent content at Conservapedia. My friend has mentioned this to me in the past.

However, through his bullying tactics RobS recently managed to drive off the good faith editor Liberaltears for at least a month.

He is also calling everyone who disagrees with him on anything relating to Russia Nazis and Russophobic which simply isn't true. For example, in my collection of both secular/Christian music, I have sections on Russian music[1][2], but RobS incessantly calls me a "Russophobic". This type of personal attacks and falsely accusing people of phobias is used by liberals/leftists (For example, calling someone "homophobic") and it should not be done at Conservapedia.

Andy, I know that are against "template pollution". RobS when he disagrees with people tries to shut down debate by using a template that covers up their text. This is rude and not something that a conservative gentlemen would engage in. This rude and bullying template pollution by RobS needs to end.

In addition, when RobS is losing an argument/debate on a talk page, he retitles the thread title in order to distort the description of content below the thread's title and this is often done in a disparaging way. This also needs to end.

Something has to be done to curb RobS's incivility. And I know for a fact that I am not the only one who feels this way. For example, User:NishantXavier wrote today about RobS: "Sad to see some resort to ad hominems, slurs and expletives. Probably an admission that ones position cannot face up to the Truth."[3] Liberaltears essentially said the same thing in the thread above.

Again, I am not denying that RobS has created good content. But he needs to act more civilly towards his fellow editors. This should be very easy to do as RobS has acted more civilly in the past. Conservative (talk) 14:02, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Why do you call people Putin shills and communist sympathizers? that disrespect has been ongoing for more than a year. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:39, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
Vladimir Putin is not a Stalinist, he had nothing to do with the Holodomor, he not a communist, he is not responsible for Russia's high rates of alcoholism or divorce, or its fertility rate. Yet User:Cons have made those innuendos in countless articles and Essays, many of which he has deleted voluntarily after I showed him, chapter and verse, how the rhetoric he uses parallels Nazi rhetoric, past and present. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:43, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
Our traffic is at record high levels. We do not need to return to the days of UK potholes, gay salad bars, and Rattroll's dietary habits as MPR News. Thank you. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:47, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
I have been extraordinary patient with allowing editors to spam Talk:MPR with fake DeSantis polling data and Zelensky propaganda - which does not belong on Talk:MPR. Those discussions will now be moved elsewhere. Thank you. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:50, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
As to LT, he was neither blocked nor reverted; his comments were scrolled up after calling me a commiesymp (when he knows better). Let him go off for a month and pout as he said he wanted to. RobSGive Peace a chance 14:53, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

I think basic ground rules should be (1) No expletives, and (2) No personal attacks/ad hominems against other CP editors. Other than that, we can debate and discuss according to our own viewpoints, try to come to a consensus if we can, otherwise just make our case and move on. I don't think we need to get more personal than that. I prefer to just post news and updates mostly and leave it at that. If someone challenges some thing I say, then I engage in discussion. Let's discuss in a pleasant and polite manner please, as befits conservative and Christian Gentlemen. God bless. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 15:10, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

In your esteemed opinion, does this violate basic CP civility rules? [4] RobSGive Peace a chance 15:15, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Blessed are the Peace-Makers. Don't want a fight between friends, and conservatives who surely agree with each other 80-90% of the time. You mentioned traffic is high, think how many more we could all reach for the Conservative Cause if we all worked together. Going forward, let's all try to discuss pleasantly and politely disagree if we don't come to a consensus. Thank you. NishantXavierFor Christ the King 15:19, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Thank you. I couldn't agree more. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:23, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
I made some legitimate points about why I believe Russia will be a declining power. For example, Russia's fertility rate, etc. One of the reasons why I made the comments is I felt Conservapedia was becoming anti-American to an unreasonable degree (I recognize that the USA has its pros and cons) and it was becoming a Russia cheerleader website (The reality is that Russia has both flaws and strengths).
Also, when someone repeatedly falsely calls you a Nazi and falsely accuses you of a phobia that you know that you do not have (such as "Russophobia) and engages in other uncivil behavior when you merely disagree with them, it's natural to point out flaws/deficiencies in their most cherished ideas (and flaws in their various ideas expressed) to deflate their bullying arrogance. Once someone gets too big for their britches, it's natural to do various things to deflate their oversized ego.
Bottom line: RobS needs to stop falsely calling anyone who disagrees with him about Russia/Ukraine a Nazi. He also needs to stop using templates to obscure civil discussion that he disagrees with or change the titles to civil talk page discussion threads. Conservative (talk) 15:41, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
None of that matters. Your relentless Deletion of Talk pages leads people to not trust anything you say. RobSGive Peace a chance 15:45, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
In your own words: "This is rude and not something that a conservative gentlemen would engage in." RobSGive Peace a chance 15:47, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
RobS, nobody likes a bully. LT doesn't. User:NishantXavier doesn't. And I certainly do not. People often deflate bullies and that is a reality of life that you are going to have to live with.
God deflates bullies too. He humbles the proud and raises up the humble. Conservative (talk) 15:52, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
By the way, the last time your bullying got way out of hand and you aggressively pesterfested me on my talk page, I successfully pushed for you to be desysopsed. I later regretted doing so, but perhaps that is exactly what you needed at the time (I don't recall why you were so aggressively pesterfesting my talk page). Conservative (talk) 15:58, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
(ec) It is utter nonsense to accuse me of using the scroll Template when you delete whole talk pages. I have found you going back as far as 6 months to alter Talk pages because of something ridiculous or embarrassing you posted.
Neither myself nor Andy, nor other Admins past and present, have abused the Deletion key as much as yourself. This creates mistrust in attempting to have dialogue with you. An editor must ask themselves, "Is it worth spending the time attempting to discuss a matter with User:Conservative when, in the end, nothing will be resolved and he will delete the evidence that he was beaten badly in his point of view?" RobSGive Peace a chance 16:00, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
In making this complaint, you violated two basic civility rules: You took the matter directly to Andy's talk (which is harassment and trolling of Andy) and secondly you placed a user name in a subhead (the 2nd or 3rd time in recent weeks). Then you tried to organize a mob to attack an established, good faith editor. That is bullying. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:04, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
If you want things to be more harmonious RobS, it's very simple. Stop falsely calling people Nazis and having Russiaphobia (You are not a trained psychologist or sociologist). Stop covering up people's text with a template when they have civil disagreements with you. And stop changing the titles to civil talk page discussions in order to mischaracterize the discussion. Conservative (talk) 16:05, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

RobS, I repeatably told you the above points directly above several times. But you chose to be stubborn. As a result, I took it to Andy's talk page. I don't regret doing so. After if you continue to act uncivilly, I will pick up the phone and call Andy. Conservative (talk) 16:13, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

No, I haven't bothered to read it cause of your history of bad faith editing and Deleting talk pages. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:22, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
If you want things to be more harmonious UserConservative, it's very simple. Stop deleting Talk pages and other people's postings. It is disrespectful. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:12, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
Your latest trick to cover up embarrassing or ridiculous comments that you make is to prematurely Archive Talk:MPR ongoing discussions, so when a user clicks on the link from Recent changes, they must scroll through reams and reams of text just to get to the bottom of the page. Conversations should be deleted 15 days after inactivity, not in t he midst of thread. Your abuse of Deletion and Archiving to hide you own ridiculous embarrassing posts has no respect whatsoever for the comments and postings of other good faith editors.
Simple solution: think first, and stop making ridiculous and embarrassing postings so you don't have to disrespect other people's comments to hide your own thoughtlessness. Thank you. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:18, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
I will make a deal with you. I will stop deleting article talk pages (except for reasonable exceptions such as profanity, doxing, illegal activity), but in return you have to stop doing the behaviors I listed above. Deal or no deal? The ball is in your court now.
With that being said, nearly all the time I deleted talk page posts was relating to my own post. For example, when I had changed my mind about a matter due to additional information, etc, decided that I didn't have time to discuss something I posted on a talk page, etc. Conservative (talk) 16:25, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
That's a bald face untruth (what others outside polite company would call "lie"). How many of my postings from your Talk page have you deleted in just the past 12 hours? RobSGive Peace a chance 16:34, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
Stop using Nazi rhetoric and no one will point out that you are using Nazi rhetoric. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:27, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

I see that we have no deal and that you will continue to falsely call people Nazis and falsely accuse them of Russophobia. That is most unfortunate. I hope you do not become more frantically aggressive as Russia declines in influence due to Russian corruption and various Russian public policy mistakes.

And as far as archiving discussions for main page talk, perhaps Conservapedia should look at what other wikis are doing in terms of byte size of archives and then archive such an amount of content (Like a range of bytes). Conservative (talk) 16:35, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

You have the right to Delete your own Talk page - yes - at the risk of other editors viewing you untrsutworthy or not a good faith editor. You Do Not have the right to delete Talk:MPR, Mainspace articles, or Essay talk pages - even from Essays you yourself created. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:39, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
Given your history of abuse of the Deletion key, your comments about the scroll Template are frivolous and trolling, i.e. wasting other editor's time. RobSGive Peace a chance 16:44, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
By the way RobS, given all the American public support for Ukraine, I find it very telling that there is not a big proliferation of public displays of swastikas and Nazi salutes. Could your overblown rhetoric of falsely calling every Tom, Dick, Harry Nazis be in error? Of course it is and you know it. Conservative (talk) 17:01, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Russophobia

Let's discuss Russophobia for a minute. How about, "Russia is a bunch of drunks, and despite the fact their government stated they are facing an existential threat from the United States and NATO, who cares cause they are all gonna die anyway in a few years from low fertility."

Now that may be a rather crude way of parsing what you deem an intellectual discussion, but others call it nazi rhetoric. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:04, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

And you are certainly entitled to that viewpoint; but you don't have to restate it to me over and over again several times daily in talk pages discussions. I ain't that dense that I don't understand what you said or mean. But then you copy paste it in a dozen Articles and Essays. Fine. But I personally get a little offended when you think I am too stupid to understand your Russophobic and neo-Nazi views that you have to repeat them redundantly over and over again daily, cause you don't have anything else to say. And I've been listening to this garbage from you for nearly a year and half. RobSGive Peace a chance 17:10, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

Get me the exact quotes RobS. I don't like "Adam Schiff type" paraphrases that are misrepresentations. Conservative (talk) 18:01, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
Why not? You and him are on the same page. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:47, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
Oh shucks. I can't. Some idiot vandalized the Talk page, again. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:48, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
Andy likes the version of Wikipedia that displays the view counts. He is not going to be happy that you deleted all the talk page view counts. I will let you deal with Andy about the gratuitous deleting of view counts. And you can explain to him why you are calling good faith editors Nazis, covering up good faith talk page discussions with templates, etc. Conservative (talk) 18:59, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
OMG! You mean I wasn't suppose to Delete a Talk page!? But I learned that from you. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:01, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
So in addition to abusing the Deletion key, what was the purpose of getting into an Edit war with another Admin when he was performing an Administrative function? You know, there are other ways to handle questions about Administrative functions. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:04, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
Anyways, you should be grateful. I covered up many of your own (how shall I phrase it) 'questionable' postings so you wouldn't have to yourself. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:07, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
If you are really that bored, just go play with the Deletion function on your own Talk page a few dozen times, but please leave me alone. I've wasted now more than two days in the discussions on subjects, like Ukraine and Russia, which obviously do not understand, nor know anything about, nor really even have any interest in. And you don't listen to other people, either.
Better yet pick up your crusade against the dietary habits of your arch nemesis Ace McWicked again, and get off me. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:10, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
You will never convince me or anyone that you are seriously interested or concerned about the Russo-Ukraine war after you just got off an intensive two-week study and rant about a Rationalwiki troll who eats too much carbohydrates. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:16, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
By all appearances, you meet a live person online, have some differences with that person, and become obsessed and focused on ridiculing that person and destroying them. It is unhealthy. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:19, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

FWIW

I'd focus on the obvious weird lies in his reporting which he refuses to correct. His grand Donbas "cauldron" simply never happened. He took some (very) optimistic infographics from Russian TV - predicting the future course of the invasion - and presented them as fully-realised facts on the ground.

He's either a moron or a lunatic or deliberately trying to insert nonsense into the articles here. Take your pick. ConwayIII (talk) 17:31, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

The Russians have revolutionized traditional cauldron warfare in this war. Nowadays they leave an entrance and exit open, so NATO can keep feed troops into the meatgrinder. "Battle plans don't survive initial contact with the enemy." Westpoint has to study the Russian innovators closely, cause they have no experience with new strategy and tactics in conventional warfare. RobSGive Peace a chance 18:54, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
Attaboy. Earnest lunatic is the way I'd play this one, too. ConwayIII (talk) 19:36, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
The Russians have budgeted something like 31 months for this war, of which we're about halfway through. Nobody said (except Western idiots) it would happen in 72 hours. RobSGive Peace a chance 19:44, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

I spoke to Andy about the main page talk dissension and infighting

Please see: I spoke to Andy about the main page talk dissension and infighting. Conservative (talk) 20:32, June 27, 2023 (EDT)

You screwed up BIG TIME edit warring (with another Admin) on Talk/MPR. It ain't the first time. That Deletion key needs to be taken away from you. You routinely abuse it, and no one trusts talking to you casue you always try to cover your tracks when you screw up.
People generally understand when other people make mistakes. But you hold this facade that you can always delete yours and anyone else's discussions that may hold you in a bad light. It is insulting to people, to think they are that stupid they cannot see that. Hence no one wants to discuss anything with you, cause they can't trust you. If you'd simply act human, and apologize when in error, people generally are forgiving. But you expect everyone to lie to themselves as you do, that User:Con can't ever make a mistake. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:51, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
As to this portion: "discussions that may hold you in a bad light", simple solution: Don't get involved in stupid discussions, especially those you know little about. RobSGive Peace a chance 21:58, June 27, 2023 (EDT)
Me personally, occasionally I will venture into discussions I know little or nothing ab out - to listen and learn and ask questions. I concede they probably know more and I can learn from them. Not you. You enter to tell everybody they are wrong seemingly to bust up the conversation. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:20, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
So what do you do? You go Google to teach yourself a crash course with the first couple results that come up and emerge as an expert - usually arguing outdated crap that people familiar with the subject can easily see what you are doing. Then you won't back down - cause you accomplished what you intended to do - sow division and make enemies. Then you go onto write Essays about your enemies' excessive intake of carbohydrates or something, therefore they must be Satanic atheists and going to hell, etc.
Sorry to inform you, but as an independent observer for years, I have watched this insanity. RobSGive Peace a chance 00:29, June 28, 2023 (EDT)
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