Talk:Cross dressing

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? is this the same as Transvestite ? if so, reference or link to that ? sorry, didnt see the redirect. Markr

Liberal Trait?

Does that mean J. Edgar was a liberal? AlexWD 23:43, 19 January 2010 (EST)

Five myths about J. Edgar Hoover, Washington Post:
"The story that Hoover, a lifelong bachelor, participated in cross-dressing, all-male sex parties in New York hotel rooms, as reported by British writer Anthony Summers in a 1993 biography, has been widely debunked by historians. The story’s source, the wife of a businessman and Hoover confidante, had a grudge from a contested divorce, and other investigations of the story came up empty." [1]
There is no solid historical evidence that J. Edgar Hoover was a cross dresser.
Why are liberals so gullible and so apt to fall for myths? :) Conservative (talk) 12:57, 4 April 2016 (EDT)

I have no idea, myself. Maybe it is a product of the liberal media, which is run much like a tabloid, all too happy to say lies about people they disagree with.

In any case: you have disproved this silly myth. Now anyone who goes here will learn the TRUTH, Conservative. Thanks for exposing this myth

parody video

If it were a "parody" video, it would be transphobic, wouldn't it? RobSLet's Go Brandon! 15:39, April 20, 2022 (EDT)

An LBGPQ source was the first that I found that mentioned parody, and I don't think that they found it offensive. I must admit that I was rather surprised by the video, not having seen Volodoymr Zelensky the comedian before (now on Netflix?), and given all the fake news around though the video spurious
Oh, I got a better extended clip with his stand up comedy routine that got him elected president. If you want to see it, let me know. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 16:30, April 20, 2022 (EDT)

Kilts

What about kilts? or the vestments of the clergy? Mummering? Some clarification as to what cross-dressing is, is needed. The article, also ignores that non-Western cultures have entirely different clothing conventions. Christ wore "robe-like garments", as everyone knows.[1] A quick google indicates that high heels were worn first by men, and still are, in the case of cowboy boots (helps with riding apparently).

Two questions: (a) why do women wear high heels? (b) name one other non-Western country that men wear high heels. Thanks. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:09, April 20, 2022 (EDT)
As to cowboy boots, they are (a) not spiked to make your butt jiggle, and (b) flattened, so as to kill the head of a rattle snake. RobSLet's Go Brandon! 19:15, April 20, 2022 (EDT)
Thanks for the comments. Don't most women wear sneakers most of the time.
My main was point was that the article over-simplifies matters by ignoring that different cultures have different ideas about what is the appropriate apparel for men and women. That is men who wear skirts are not considered effeminate in some cultures, and that in other cultures the traditional attire for women is trousers. No one would describe Christ as effeminate because he had long hair and did not wear trousers, in fact he presumably dressed accordance what the Torah prescribed. I find Deuteronomy confusing because it looks like in those ancient times the clothing worn by men and women, in the Middle East, was similar. That needs clarification.
The questions of fashion should also be clarified. In the 1960s long hair in men was regarded as effeminate in the West, but this has not always been the case, as with high-heels. Also, the subjects of effeminacy and transgender needs to be considered. An approach from the Christian Right – but fuller, clearer.
An interesting topic, which I hadn’t thought about before, though – to be flippant – I do envy women and arabs, when temperatures soar! I hope someone can start the ball rolling and I will then try and help. --Jackin the box (talk) 09:47, April 24, 2022 (EDT)
You have a point: PM Modi of India is one of the two or three most masculine leaders on the world stage right now and wears traditional garb which Westerners would call a skirt. What we're talking about is the structure of the article. Because of our target readership, I would suggest two large sections, the first addressed to American and Western readers regarding their traditional culture, the second expanding on historical and foreign cultures.
Isaiah 3:16-24 gives some idea about women's dress at that time; evidently they wore bells on their ankles or feet to attract cat calls as they walked down the street (like the old song, "rings on her fingers and bells on her toes, she shall have music wherever she goes"). RobSZ 10:23, April 24, 2022 (EDT)
Regardless of culture, what Deuteronomy instructs is, that men should not wear the attire of a female to attract men, and women should not wear the attire of a male to attract women. What we can conclude from this is, God realizes and understands that people wear clothing (not necessarily in all circumstances) designed to attract the opposite sex, and there's nothing bad or sinful in itself of that, except when taken to the extreme as in case cited in Isaiah (i.e., she's looking to "score", so to speak). RobSZ 10:34, April 24, 2022 (EDT)
Now, how does this all relate to Zelensky, which started this whole controversy? In Zelensky's case, it is nihilism and/or iconoclasm, designed to refute and break down the traditional bible-based culture.
Again, someone may argue, "How is Zelensky any different than another Jewish comedian, Milton Berle, who appeared in drag for laughs? or the African American comedian Flip Wilson?" Neither of them were racist xenophobes attempting to exterminate the Russians of Donbas, or lead a political movement embodying Nazi and LGBT ideology. RobSZ 11:04, April 24, 2022 (EDT)

Thanks for answering my questions. Like men, women follow fashion and dress for comfort. Women throw away their bras and men their ties. The Bible isn't always the word of God, sometimes it is a record of ancient Jewish history, laws and customs, though obviously this has been a valuable source of guidance and inspiration through the centuries. The New Testament brought a new vision into the world. --Jackin the box (talk) 11:50, April 24, 2022 (EDT)--Jackin the box (talk) 11:50, April 24, 2022 (EDT)

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