Talk:Essay:Greatest Conservative TV Shows
- 1 The Andy Griffith Show
- 2 Six Million Dollar Man
- 3 Star Trek
- 4 The Simpsons?
- 5 Action shows
- 6 King Of the Hill
- 7 Storage Wars
- 8 Pawn Stars
- 9 Conservative humour
- 10 The Office
- 11 Antiques Roadshow
- 12 Star Trek
- 13 7th Heaven
- 14 The funniest skits on SNL...
- 15 Emily Latella
- 16 Star Trek redux
- 17 No Duck Dynasty?
- 18 Breaking Bad
- 19 Everybody loves Raymond
- 20 South Park/Beavis and Butthead
- 21 Samurai Jack
- 22 Absolutely Fabulous-debatable at best
- 23 7th Heaven
- 24 COPS?
- 25 NCIS should probably be moved to debatable
- 26 Roseanne
The Andy Griffith Show
I removed The Andy Griffith Show. Andy Griffith was a big-time liberal Democrat who endorsed NC Governor Mike Easley. Easley was later convicted of a felony. He also endorsed Barack Obama in 2008. NC Conservative 12 (talk) 12:17, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
- First of all, when signing sigs, you use four tildes, not two. Second of all, I'm not sure we needed to remove The Andy Griffith Show altogether, maybe move it to debatable whether conservative if we must due to Andy Griffith's political leanings. The show itself still dealt with actual conservative elements such as law enforcement being treated in a good light and even emphasizing the sanctity of marriage in the series finale, so we can't really dismiss it as a conservative show. After all, the main character of Chuck is played by one of the biggest liberals around, yet the show itself still promoted undeniable conservative values. Pokeria1 (talk) 04:22, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
- OK with me. Another potential point is that the show may be glamorizing nepotism and corruption in government. Andy and Barney are cousins, and Sheriff Andy keeps his cousin in his role despite unsatisfactory performance. And lets not forget that Barney is depicted as unintelligent. This show may be subtly mocking law enforcement rather than supporting it. NC Conservative 12 (talk) 12:17, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
Six Million Dollar Man
The technology could have been developed by private companies under contract with the government.--Andy Schlafly 18:18, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
- It "could've" been a lot of things, and I would gladly concede the point given any evidence to back up such an assertion. But as I recall, the protagonist was an astronaut who was "put back together" by the OSI (a fictional government agency) and worked in the public service thereafter. LloydR 18:29, 25 May 2011 (EDT)
The Federation was an extremely socialist government, to the point where the very concept of money was downright offensive to humans. Furthermore, the only "capitalist" race in Star Trek--the Ferengi--started off as villains in the early TNG episodes before becoming comic relief pn DS9. --[[User:AdamDiscordia|Yours in Christ, Adam Discordia]] 00:08, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
- Sounds like Star Trek should be downgraded to "Debatable Whether Conservative." Please feel free to move it ... but "Trekies" may not like that!--Andy Schlafly 00:26, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
- Aye. They got rid of money. TOS was actually started off as a protest of war and the US involvement in foreign affairs. That's why the "Prime Directive" is to not interfere with other cultures. Ayzmo 20:38, 4 October 2011 (EDT)
- I could and should write a major critique of Star Trek as not only being anti-Conservative but anti-American. Also anti-Common Sense. Star Trek has many episodes that cater to the worries of the Left, from overpopulation to gay rights, but more so is that it is the future according to the Left. This is their idealized vision of the future. Where there is no famine, no poverty, no greed. Everyone works to "better oneself." What they don't explain is how and why. Liberalism, in various forms, is replete throughout the franchise. I could easily do an article about it. --Wayfinder 20:00, 8 December 2011 (EST)
- Okay, I know overpopulation was covered in TOS when they had to remove several people from a planet due to overpopulating the planet (and maybe also the Tribble infestation episode), not to mention the whole "no famine, no poverty, no greed" bit, and how they never explained how to actually get there, but I don't think I recall TOS or, heck, even TNG actually dealing with gay rights (probably the closest either ever got to entering that route aside from the infamous "skirt uniforms" worn by some of the males in the latter show was the episode where Riker fell for a member of an adrogynous species). Pokeria1 (talk) 04:33, 22 September 2019 (EDT)
This may be a long shot but could the Simpsons fit under the Debatable category? Although it does occasionally send liberal messages, it embraces very conservative family values. I'm just not sure whether or not its liberal messages exclude it entirely from being included here. --JimMac 09:31, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
- Personally, I don't any value -- conservative or otherwise -- in the Simpsons. I think it presents Hollywood's negative caricature of the family, as several other sitcoms have. But I welcome comments by others about this show, and thanks for the suggestion.--Andy Schlafly 10:23, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
- I would agree - showing a dysfunctional family is hardly conservative. It would be like saying the abysmal "Married with children" is conservative. TracyS 11:21, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
I'm thinking about shows from my youth, such as CHiPs - which portrays law enforcement in a positive light, while wholesome lead characters and little violence, and MacGuyver, again a show with little violence and a character using Yankee ingenuity to extract himself from a tight situation. TracyS 11:21, 26 May 2011 (EDT)
King Of the Hill
Definitely conservative...its definitely the most realistic modern cartoon show and the Hill family is Republican (but not demonized for being so). RichDunbar 23:50, 28 May 2011 (EDT)
Emphasizes capitalist and free market values. Plus on another level, it illustrates the importance of personal responsibility; the lockers that are being auctioned off belonged to people who decided not to pay their bills. --FergusE 16:43, 7 July 2011 (EDT)
- I would recommend removing this show, as a previous employee of the show has stated that the show is rigged, including giving people more money to allow higher (and more dramatic) bidding, as well as seeding the storage units with valuable items that the previous owners had not left behind. MackD 22:32, 20 February 2013 (EST)
While it does prove the free market prevails, the show contains a great deal of profanity.--JamesWilson 14:04, 21 July 2011 (EDT)
I am sorry if this is a silly (or repeated) question but how do you define conservative humour? MaxFletcher 23:41, 19 September 2011 (EDT)
- My personal definition is humor that shows the irony and extreme folly in following liberal beliefs. There's a lot of good stuff out there. RSnelik 00:28, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
I am not sure about this one. While Ryan is clearly a caricature of liberal hypocrite, the show is still mocking conservatives like Dwight and Angela (who is an conservative hypocrite). The best presented characters (Jim & Pam) are clearly liberals.--ARamis 23:43, 19 September 2011 (EDT)
- We all know Steve Carell used to work on The Daily Show, right?--CamilleT 01:15, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
- The lame Daily Show would never permit the conservative humor that Carell portrayed on The Office. Could that be why he left the Daily Show for the Office???--Andy Schlafly 02:00, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
- Okey Dokey.--CamilleT 02:45, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
- I truly believe that this is a pro-liberal show. As DrDean said, Jim, a liberal, is the main character and he is depicted as a pretty nice guy.--ARamis 16:43, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
- The lame Daily Show would never permit the conservative humor that Carell portrayed on The Office. Could that be why he left the Daily Show for the Office???--Andy Schlafly 02:00, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
The Office portrays homosexuality in a positive light and goes as far as to promote it (clear example: NBC.com IMDb, an episode that includes a homosexual looking directly at the camera and saying "Kids, sometimes it pays to be gay.") --Ty 17:10, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
- Also, the early episodes do indeed indulge in "political correctness." The very second episode covers the subject, where Michael offends everyone and makes everybody uncomfortable because he keeps talking about race and holds others to racial stereotypes. The whole episode is about him being insensitive to other cultures and how it's bad. I'd also like to point out that Ricky Gervais, the creator of the original The Office and one of the big brains behind the American series is an atheist and probable liberal, and likely had much influence over development. Particularly in the earlier episodes.--CamilleT 17:27, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
- Thank you for refreshing our memories, Camille. The piece Gervais wrote in The Wall Street Journal of December 22, 2010 says it all: Why I Do Not Believe in a God ("In a provocative essay at Christmas, a British writer and comedian explains why he remains an avowed atheist").--Ty 17:48, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
Here is all I found on the fraud scandal. A couple of dealers on the show were using their fame to acquire antiques below price. There are many dealers on the show. I suggest Antiques Roadshow be reinstated.--CamilleT 11:54, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
- I couldn't fit it into the edit summary but apparently many of them would bring around objects that they already owned and have associates bring them in posing as their owners and give them high appraisals on air as well. I think that it should be removed from the list all together myself. --DrDean 12:00, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
- I see. I am a bit of a fan of the show. May I ask for a citation, please?--CamilleT 12:01, 20 September 2011 (EDT)
The idea has already been discussed and you at least approved of a move. I further contributed that the show was created as a protest against the US' involvement in the Vietnam War. Roddenberry believed that the US should not be involved in the affairs of other countries as shown in the Prime Directive.. It is also quite progressive in many ways including questioning values of all levels. The economy in Star Trek is entirely nonexistent with no money and exchanges instead fulfilled on the promise of self-betterment. I can go on if you like. Ayzmo :) 22:12, 21 October 2011 (EDT)
- The views of a creator of a show are almost irrelevant. The point is what the show became, and your comments do not fully address the reasons given for its inclusion.--Andy Schlafly 22:56, 21 October 2011 (EDT)
- Overall, the show may not have been conservative, but "created to protest Vietnam"? Uh, no - One of its most famous episodes, "The City on the Edge of Forever", by having uber-pacifism take hold in the 30s and keep us out of WWII long enough for the Nazis to win, effectively accused the protestors of treason ( and don't take my word for it: one of the producers was asked years later if that was deliberate and said that "of course" it was).--ArchModerate 15:46, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- In all fairness regarding that last point, leftists are rather notorious for comparing the right to Nazis, and inferring that World War II is the only "good war," so that's not exactly going to mean much, especially regarding disproving whether his intention was to protest the Vietnam War. I had a film professor who actually did look up to World War II and how we rightfully denounced the Nazis, and he was far enough to the left that he was VERY anti-Vietnam (even going as far as to claim we only went to the country just to raid their tin resources) and even anti-Military, and although he claims he and his hippie friends weren't communists, he implied at one point when he was showing us battleship ptomkin or whatever that film was that he was going to indoctrinate us into the Soviet Union's ideals. Pokeria1 (talk) 07:44, 28 February 2016 (EST)
I disagree. Although I'm grateful to have any Christian family at all portrayed on TV, it seemed more like liberal Christianity to me.
I watched the first 8 shows on DVD. In one show, the sister asks her brother to teach her how to kiss (on the lips), which is as near to incest as I've seen on TV as I can ever remember. In another show, they reprise the "black church burning" hoax.
The funniest skits on SNL...
Isn't that getting really subjective? Funniest by who's standard? Yours? Are you the official gatekeeper for "conservative humor"? This whole entry is definitely more blog-like than encyclopedic. --JoshuaB 21:27, 16 March 2012 (EDT)
- Intrinsic humor exists - skits that are considered enormously funny by the vast majority of viewers. The identified skits surely qualify.--Andy Schlafly 01:00, 18 March 2012 (EDT)
Mocked how tv networks give equal time to opposing opinions which are ridiculous. With skits such as complaining about "no violins on TV before 10 PM" (it was really "violence on TV") or "why are we making Puerto Rico a steak? Pretty soon they'll want mashed potatoes!" Emily Latella frequently misunderstood what the debate was about and came up with ridiculous "counterarguments". She was obviously not a commentator who was supposed to be on the same level as those who were saying we shouldn't show violence on TV before 10:00 or that we should make Puerto Rico a state. And there was that skit where she criticized the "Eagle Rights Amendment" by questioning why we were allowing birds to hold jobs. Gregkochuconn 10:30, 21 March 2012 (EDT)
Star Trek redux
I know this issue has been discussed before, but by no stretch of the imagination is Star Trek a conservative show. Star Trek fell just short of being propaganda for a progressive secular humanist agenda. Which makes sense considering the show's creator was a progressive atheist secular humanist, and his personal beliefs were woven into the very fabric of the show. Would a conservative show have a future where the United States no longer exists as a sovereign nation but instead is part of a one world government? And would a conservative have that one world government in turn be a socialist government that was an eager participant in a United Nations style Federation of Planets? Would a conservative place the HQ for the Federation in San Francisco!? Would a conservative write a show where religion (if portrayed at all) was shown in a negative light? Do bible believing Christians believe in Vulcans? The list goes on and on. From the show's advocacy of socialism and multiculturalism to Captain Kirk's "relaxed" sexual morality. So unless any compelling evidence to the contrary is presented, I'll remove it from the list. --DonnyC 16:44, 14 January 2013 (EST)
- Certainly true of the Original Series (and the Next Generation was even worse), but Deep Space 9, made after the militant atheist creator had died, portrays religion (specifically the Bajoran one) in a clearly positive light.--ArchModerate 15:46, 25 March 2013 (EDT)
- Deep Space Nine, Voyager, and possibly Enterprise can probably stay on here, but Star Trek and The Next Generation, definitely not.
- There is one question, though. I'm probably a bit clueless regarding this, so forgive me for asking, but how exactly does Star Fleet's HQ being in San Francisco indicate anything about politics, much less it being of the left? There have been conservative elements in there, believe it or not. For starters, the March for Life back in 2011. There was also a law that explicitly violated homosexual marriages, and the mayor and clerk got into deep trouble as well. And besides, there are a few conservative shows that are set in very liberal cities. Just look at Blue Bloods, for example: The series is set in New York City, probably one of the most liberal cities out there, yet it actually espoused strongly conservative values via the Reagan family, or at the very least libertarian values.
- I'm a bible-believing Christian, but I wouldn't necessarily rule out the existence of Vulcans or aliens. Space is a vast area, and I find it hard to believe God would make most of the universe lifeless save for Earth, so I'm not exactly sure that's evidence about the show being leftist. The bit about the USA no longer existing as a sovereign nation but instead being part of a one world government that was socialistic in nature and acts more like a United Nations in the form of the Federation of Planets, and religion, IF portrayed or even mentioned at all, is denigrated, and the overall promotion of socialism, multiculturalism, and even relaxation of sexual morality (Captain Kirk's infamous escapades is one notable example) certainly disqualifies TNG and even TOS from even being remotely conservative and if anything more likely liberal. Pokeria1 (talk) 08:05, 28 February 2016 (EST)
No Duck Dynasty?
I'm not a huge fan, but i would have bet my last dollar it would have shown up here on this list, even though most of the situations seem to be manufactured.
- To whoever suggested this, your wish was granted somewhere along the way. And I concur that it should make the list. Quidam65 (talk) 11:33, 9 February 2018 (EST)
I would consider it a conservative show, at least more liberal than conservative. The negative effects of Walt's double life are always shown (especially in the latter seasons the gentle Libertarian meth cook being needlessly murdered, the poor kid on the dirtbike being shot, the death of family and the destruction of his home and surviving family members). The business and drug usage/manufacturing is not glamorized. Walt becomes (by most people's standards) the villain very early on. Also to mention how the character of Jesse is shown early on to be much more soft than let on and how the more he gets involved in the criminal activities the more disgusting he realizes it is. There may be more examples, but that is what I've noticed. One could argue that Walt not having good health insurance is liberal as it is extremely unrealistic given his profession, but it could also simply be a plot device.
″==Last man Standing==
Even though the main character is conservative he has a liberal daughter on the show and a lesbian daughter on the show it should be moved to the maybe a conservative show section--Wallywally (talk) 20:28, 15 January 2016 (EST)
Everybody loves Raymond
South Park/Beavis and Butthead
King Conservative just added South Park and Beavis and Butthead, South Park being on our Essay:Worst Liberal TV Shows list. Anyone else think we should remove them?--Abcqwe (talk) 17:00, 16 March 2017 (EDT)
I totally agree that they should be removed from this list. South Park was once removed from our Essay:Worst Liberal TV Shows list, for being more of a libertarian show than a liberal one. As for Beavis and Butthead I honestly don't think that belongs on this list either and should be removed.--GrantN (talk) 16:56, 20 March 2017 (EDT)
How about the show Samurai Jack? It shows good values like honor, courage, and never giving up, and it has a powerful good vs. evil message throughout the show along with redemption. But if not, then maybe it can be in the debatable section.--Wildfire93 (talk) 23:04, 24 June 2017 (EDT)
Absolutely Fabulous-debatable at best
I can't see how Ab Fab (as most people know it as) made the cut. Yes, Edina and Patsy seem to fail at everything they do, but they have no intention of giving up their hard partying lifestyles. Also in the "Morocco" episode Saffron was sold into slavery, and at the end it is strongly hinted that she had given up her virginity to the young Muslim man she passes. Quidam65 (talk) 11:36, 9 February 2018 (EST)
I see this show as primarily liberal, at least the first 8 episodes, which I binge-watched a few years ago. One example was the reference to the hoax of black church arsons during the Clinton era (see Black church-burning hoax). The show referenced the hoax as true, although Michael Fumento is famous for exposing it as a hoax.
Also, the family is completely dominated by the mother - who occasionally lets her husband put his foot down, but only under protest. I wouldn't call that conservative.
- Next time, try to edit your original post to mention this.
- As far as 7th Heaven, I'll probably move it to debatable, as it still has plenty of conservative elements of it. Pokeria1 (talk) 13:37, 26 September 2018 (EDT)
You have Americas Most Wanted listed here so maybe COPS should be listed as well? It shows the rule of law in a positive light and follows police around doing their jobs and showing them as normal, average men and woman who want to make a difference. I love the show personally. JohnSelway (talk) 23:09, 18 March 2019 (EDT)
- There are other reality police shows too, like Live PD. --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:53, 22 October 2019 (EDT)
NCIS should probably be moved to debatable
The season 6 episode "Capitol Offense" promotes environmentalism by having a Senator sponsoring a "Green energy" bill that's being opposed by "big oil" (a tired old liberal myth and claptrap). He confides in Gibbs to cover up an affair he had with a dead female naval officer to make sure the bill passes. The season 7 episode "Faith" has a Marine who converted to Islam being killed by his younger brother and a Muslim Chaplain being targeted with threats, clearly promoting the liberal "Islamophobia" claptrap. It also promotes the theme park version of Islam that most liberals think it is. Ziva even talks about "intolerance" which a true Israeli Jew and former Mossad officer wouldn't do. A real Mossad officer would certainly know firsthand how violent the religion of Islam is, especially if her own half-brother was a Muslim terrorist. Shobson20 (talk) 21:08, 22 October 2019 (EDT)
- In addition, the Marine's father is a Reverend who says things a truly devout Christian would never say such as "he found his god" when talking about his son and a line from Gibbs promotes the myth that Islam and Christianity have "the same god" which is typical "coexist" nonsense. Shobson20 (talk) 21:12, 22 October 2019 (EDT)
- Yeah, I would consider NCIS debatable as well. I remember another (though not the number) in which someone was made out to be a crazy criminal, who was ranting actual conservative truths (like, the government is trying to confiscate firearms). This was made out to be the reason he was a terrorist. That definitely means it is a non-conservative show in my book. --DavidB4 (TALK) 21:51, 22 October 2019 (EDT)
- The Season 1 episode "Split Decision" has a Militia and a rogue ATF agent. It was added to this list because it is generally pro-military and pro-America. It has depicted anti-American terrorists as bad guys. but it is, at the end of the day, written by Hollywood people who live in the Hollywood bubble. For example, many episodes say "the gun was registered to..." when they frequently operate in Virginia, which does not have a registration system. They ask a man "do you have a license?" for his handgun, and you don't need a license in Virginia. Requiring license to own guns is a violation of the 2nd Amendment because it makes gun ownership a privilege granted by the government instead of the guaranteed right that it's supposed to be. Shobson20 (talk) 22:16, 22 October 2019 (EDT)
- Yeah, and I know that they have on occasion had agents or police officers see a glimpse of a holstered gun on a citizen, and immediately shout "GUN!" and draw their own, hold them at gunpoint while they confiscate it, and then arrest that person. Again, it's Hollywood--it's what they want us to think is reality, not what is. --DavidB4 (TALK) 22:42, 22 October 2019 (EDT)
- Agreed. It's probably best to move it to debatable, especially with some mess-ups it's been having. It's not 100% liberal, since it does nonetheless depict anti-American terrorists as bad guys most of the time, and it does ultimately promote America and the military, but as it stands, currently, heck, even earlier based on what Shobson20 pointed out, it's pushed liberal themes in a positive light. Pokeria1 (talk) 23:11, 22 October 2019 (EDT)
Should we add the short-lived Roseanne on here? Maybe under Debatable? I know it was lauded as a great conservative, pro-Trump show which didn't portray Trump supporters as complete idiots and was refreshing in that regard, but according to even the milquetoast mainstream conservative Ben Shapiro, it wasn't really a conservative show. BernieandTrumpFan (talk) 22:18, 22 October 2019 (EDT)